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SAW X Commentary Track
With the Oscars behind us, many are taking a second look at the remarkable stories from last year that have been tragically overlooked by the academy. Tonight, Box Office Pulp would like to spotlight one such story, that of a humble engineer who forgot to cherish the little things, until a surprise diagnosis introduced him to a new hobby, a new gal, and a new lease on life. Before he can finish his life's work, though, he must rail against an uncaring medical system and stop the exploitative business practices of a corrupt institution, or else this will be one jigsaw puzzle left unsolved! In their final BOP n' A Movie audio commentary track on the series-- until next year, sat least-- the crew have finally reached Saw X, the John/Amanda reunion America didn't know it wanted. Tobin Bell and Shawnee Smith are back in the playhouse, the script is free to set up absolutely nothing for a sequel, and there's an actual budget this time around, so does the THIRD return of a franchise that doesn't believe in letting itself die finally recapture the gruesome magic fans have been longing for since the original trilogy? If the words "we have a rope" mean anything to you, then you already know the answer!
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Speaker:It deals with three great mysteries of the internet.
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Speaker:and then return to fully appreciate this pop and a movie commentary track.
Speaker:Enjoy.
Speaker:We have a rope.
Speaker:Welcome to Box Office Pulp, your one-stop podcast for movies, madness, moxie,
Speaker:and tonight, I'm so happy I could cry,
Speaker:because we're finally on the last Saw movie,
Speaker:until Saw 11 hits theaters later this year.
Speaker:But we've reached the end of the road for now,
Speaker:and that's something to be proud of.
Speaker:And if we make it through, we've survived the entire Saw gauntlet.
Speaker:All ten movies.
Speaker:And I'm pretty proud of us for doing that.
Speaker:Anyways, I'm your host, Cody.
Speaker:Joining me today are my co-host, Mike.
Speaker:Say hello, Mike.
Speaker:So I know we're at the, um, you know, end of the whole series and stuff for this,
Speaker:but, um, I just had a suggestion for whenever you do your movie facts, Cody.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Um, you should call them Jiggies.
Speaker:Jiggies.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Um, I know, like, we've already done nine of these,
Speaker:so it doesn't make any sense now,
Speaker:but retroactively, I would like it to count,
Speaker:so that way it feels like the audience has been collecting Jiggies this whole time,
Speaker:which is a vague Banjo-Kazooie reference.
Speaker:So it's kind of like a double.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Nope, I got that.
Speaker:I got that.
Speaker:Unfortunately, it also kind of sounds like I'm presenting a knockoff Oscar.
Speaker:Like, here are the Jiggies.
Speaker:A Jiggy sounds like an Oscar for jacking off.
Speaker:Like, specifically, who jacked off the best.
Speaker:I mean, there's a lot of ways you could assign that award.
Speaker:It could be, uh...
Speaker:Who's jacking off someone else the best?
Speaker:Who's jacking off themselves the best?
Speaker:Oh, I assume there's multiple categories.
Speaker:Sure, sure.
Speaker:Longest distance, most viscosity.
Speaker:What are we here for?
Speaker:Oh, right, Saw.
Speaker:Anyways, say hello to my other co-host, Jamie.
Speaker:Hello, Jamie.
Speaker:When you played Banjo-Kazooie,
Speaker:did you also have a visceral hatred for the Jinjos?
Speaker:Oh, yes.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Oh, my God.
Speaker:Fuck those guys.
Speaker:Like that, I always think of that tweet that's like,
Speaker:if my friends and I had found E.T.
Speaker:as kids, we would have beaten them to death with hammers.
Speaker:That's how I felt about Jinjos.
Speaker:Like, I wanted to rip them apart like they were gummy bears.
Speaker:Just go full McCready and the thing on those things.
Speaker:Just pull out the flamethrower.
Speaker:There's something psychologically deep being exposed here
Speaker:that I don't know we should have told the public about.
Speaker:But, yeah, fuck those guys.
Speaker:They do seem delicious, yeah, now that I think about it.
Speaker:You know, I never thought about eating them.
Speaker:Just murdering them.
Speaker:And neither did I until right now.
Speaker:Did you ever watch the Banjo-Kazooie promotional VHS
Speaker:that Nintendo sent out that was narrated by John Lovitz?
Speaker:That's a classic.
Speaker:What?
Speaker:No, you're making shit up.
Speaker:You're pulling my leg.
Speaker:He says Gruntilda.
Speaker:I'm looking this up online because I don't believe you.
Speaker:It's online.
Speaker:Be sure to ask your parents for Banjo-Kazooie,
Speaker:the newest hit game for the Nintendo 64.
Speaker:From Rare Studios.
Speaker:It's so fucking surreal.
Speaker:Like, as a child, it was surreal to watch.
Speaker:And then they gave him a bag of money.
Speaker:OMG, Alice.
Speaker:Yeah, no, according to JiggyWiki.com,
Speaker:there is, in fact, a Banjo-Kazooie promo video with John Lovitz.
Speaker:They sent that in the mail.
Speaker:It just showed up at your house.
Speaker:Like the ring tape?
Speaker:Like, if you just see it seven days later,
Speaker:he crawls out of your TV and strangles you?
Speaker:That's how I got mine.
Speaker:I believe it was gold, too.
Speaker:If I remember correctly.
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:There is a full rip on YouTube.
Speaker:I'm not going to watch this now.
Speaker:I'm going to put that away for later.
Speaker:But I learned so much talking to you guys.
Speaker:It's amazing.
Speaker:It's a little late night treat for yourself later.
Speaker:Yeah, a little snack.
Speaker:You can hear Lovitz promote the password system
Speaker:for Banjo-Kazooie 2 that was never implemented.
Speaker:Oh.
Speaker:Unfortunately, we slightly moved past my segue,
Speaker:but I was going to say, speaking of treats,
Speaker:Mike, Jamie, both of you have
Speaker:mysterious questions.
Speaker:Mysterious packages that were mailed to you.
Speaker:I think now would be the time
Speaker:to open your packages.
Speaker:Yay.
Speaker:I just want to describe this first.
Speaker:I got this mysterious package,
Speaker:Jamie, as well.
Speaker:It's on the back.
Speaker:It says, do not open until
Speaker:saw X commentary.
Speaker:The visceral fear I felt
Speaker:when I read that word.
Speaker:Good, good.
Speaker:Hearing my girlfriend say,
Speaker:you have a package
Speaker:from Cody with the same
Speaker:delivery as,
Speaker:there's a girl in the garden.
Speaker:She's still in her fucking blood as well.
Speaker:There's someone at the door.
Speaker:Oh, I'm not happy.
Speaker:I'm not happy.
Speaker:Alright.
Speaker:I'm going in.
Speaker:I'm going in.
Speaker:Oh, God.
Speaker:Emma marks the spot.
Speaker:Oh, Jesus.
Speaker:There's a lot to say.
Speaker:God damn it.
Speaker:Alright.
Speaker:Cody, which do you open first?
Speaker:The envelope or the package?
Speaker:The envelope.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:I'll do it in the assigned order.
Speaker:This is what happens
Speaker:when you're drunk on Malort, isn't it?
Speaker:I was dead sober, Mike.
Speaker:Oh, my God.
Speaker:I was not chained down by the Malort.
Speaker:I can't believe you.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:For the folks at home,
Speaker:we have an envelope
Speaker:with a little,
Speaker:a little Billy
Speaker:drawn on it.
Speaker:God damn it.
Speaker:Ludicrously done, too.
Speaker:That's this from the heart, Mike.
Speaker:I put time and effort into that.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Do we open the envelope now?
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:It's the same message
Speaker:for both of you
Speaker:with just your names different,
Speaker:to be honest.
Speaker:Alright.
Speaker:I'm going to open it.
Speaker:It is a talking envelope.
Speaker:It says,
Speaker:play me on it.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:I'm going to see if hopefully
Speaker:the mic picks this up.
Speaker:If not, I'll put it in post.
Speaker:Hello, Mike.
Speaker:For far too long,
Speaker:you've been content
Speaker:to sit back and watch
Speaker:as your co-host
Speaker:has consumed shot
Speaker:after shot
Speaker:of vile poison
Speaker:for the entertainment
Speaker:of your listeners.
Speaker:Today,
Speaker:you will learn to value
Speaker:an untainted palette
Speaker:inside this
Speaker:package
Speaker:is a vial
Speaker:of Jepson's Malort.
Speaker:Before the commentary
Speaker:for Saw 10
Speaker:can truly begin,
Speaker:let's balance
Speaker:the scales of entertainment
Speaker:by sampling
Speaker:this liquid carnage.
Speaker:When faced with Malort,
Speaker:will you have
Speaker:the will to live,
Speaker:drink or die, Mike?
Speaker:The choice is yours.
Speaker:Let the games
Speaker:begin.
Speaker:Like how it just
Speaker:abruptly cuts off.
Speaker:It goes for 40 seconds.
Speaker:They said 45
Speaker:on the package,
Speaker:so I thought
Speaker:I'd have like
Speaker:five more seconds
Speaker:and then just stop.
Speaker:But luckily,
Speaker:I was done talking,
Speaker:so it worked out.
Speaker:Do I just sit here
Speaker:and then listen?
Speaker:And then,
Speaker:and then,
Speaker:and then play back
Speaker:my identical tape?
Speaker:You're just Jamie.
Speaker:It's slightly different.
Speaker:It was personalized.
Speaker:I was really taken
Speaker:with the flashing lights
Speaker:as these.
Speaker:Mine was already
Speaker:in the on position,
Speaker:so I think the battery
Speaker:ran out.
Speaker:No, it's supposed
Speaker:to stay on.
Speaker:That's how it was
Speaker:already on there.
Speaker:OK, they claim
Speaker:that battery will last
Speaker:for years, Jamie.
Speaker:It's a fucking vile.
Speaker:But you still wrote
Speaker:M on.
Speaker:You can sit back
Speaker:and watch
Speaker:as your co-host
Speaker:has consumed
Speaker:shot after shot
Speaker:of vile poison
Speaker:for the entertainment
Speaker:of your listeners.
Speaker:Today,
Speaker:you will learn
Speaker:to value
Speaker:an untainted palette.
Speaker:Inside this package
Speaker:is a vial
Speaker:of Jepson's Malort.
Speaker:Before the commentary
Speaker:for Sawtech
Speaker:can truly begin,
Speaker:you must balance
Speaker:the scales of entertainment
Speaker:by sampling
Speaker:the Vial of Jepson's Malort.
Speaker:This liquid carnage
Speaker:when faced with Mord,
Speaker:will you have
Speaker:the will to live,
Speaker:drink, or die, Jamie?
Speaker:The choice is yours.
Speaker:Let the game
Speaker:begin.
Speaker:OK, Mike,
Speaker:I think we may have
Speaker:missed something,
Speaker:so play your card again.
Speaker:We do this
Speaker:for three hours.
Speaker:No, not yours.
Speaker:Now we open
Speaker:both at the same time.
Speaker:Bum, bum, bum.
Speaker:Cody, write this down.
Speaker:No, no, see,
Speaker:oh, no.
Speaker:You just have to
Speaker:drink the Malort.
Speaker:We get Jigsaw on the phone.
Speaker:You just have to
Speaker:drink the Malort.
Speaker:We need to clear
Speaker:a few things up.
Speaker:The thing that says M.
Speaker:The package said
Speaker:M marks the spot.
Speaker:Drink the M.
Speaker:Also, to be kind,
Speaker:it's not just
Speaker:Jepson's Malort.
Speaker:I threw some
Speaker:warheads in there.
Speaker:Oh, boy.
Speaker:You know,
Speaker:like a little palette cleanser.
Speaker:I'm so glad
Speaker:I filled my water bottle
Speaker:before doing this.
Speaker:It won't help.
Speaker:Also,
Speaker:I'm,
Speaker:I'm very proud of
Speaker:this little callback.
Speaker:Viewers,
Speaker:if you go and listen
Speaker:to our previous
Speaker:commentary for Spiral,
Speaker:there's a moment
Speaker:where I finish
Speaker:my awful drink
Speaker:and I say,
Speaker:oh, thank God
Speaker:I can move on
Speaker:to these
Speaker:two shots
Speaker:of coconut rum
Speaker:and I make a big point
Speaker:out of finishing them
Speaker:and saying,
Speaker:this might come
Speaker:in handy later.
Speaker:Those are the very same
Speaker:vials you're drinking
Speaker:out of now.
Speaker:I can't get the cap off.
Speaker:I'm terrified
Speaker:of putting too much
Speaker:effort in it
Speaker:because if I spill it,
Speaker:my office will smell
Speaker:like Malort forever.
Speaker:I did super glue
Speaker:them shut
Speaker:so they wouldn't
Speaker:leak in the post.
Speaker:Cody,
Speaker:how are we supposed
Speaker:to drink this?
Speaker:Is this part of the challenge?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:You gotta drink it.
Speaker:I don't care how you do it.
Speaker:I don't care how you do it.
Speaker:Just like shotgun it.
Speaker:I don't care.
Speaker:Get like a little wrench
Speaker:or something.
Speaker:You can,
Speaker:I bet you can do it.
Speaker:I believe in you.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:I'm going to go get
Speaker:tools for this.
Speaker:Tell them it's
Speaker:Chicago's finest.
Speaker:Jamie's still trying
Speaker:to open the bottle.
Speaker:I haven't heard
Speaker:back from her.
Speaker:So yes,
Speaker:there might be
Speaker:some slight editing
Speaker:on this.
Speaker:There's going to be
Speaker:some editing area.
Speaker:You're cutting
Speaker:everything else around
Speaker:and it's just going
Speaker:to be us vamping
Speaker:until Jamie comes back
Speaker:and either says
Speaker:I gave up on trying
Speaker:to open the Malort
Speaker:or my house is
Speaker:covered in Malort.
Speaker:I was exploded
Speaker:like that one time
Speaker:Homer opened
Speaker:that shook beer.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:I want the folks
Speaker:at home to know
Speaker:that I had to go
Speaker:to my laundry
Speaker:room and get
Speaker:my hedge clippers
Speaker:to cut off
Speaker:the top of the
Speaker:Malort bottle
Speaker:and I got a little
Speaker:bit on my hand
Speaker:and I feel like
Speaker:the innocent
Speaker:farmer's daughter
Speaker:in the first act
Speaker:of a zombie movie
Speaker:who's you just
Speaker:know is going
Speaker:to get a shotgun
Speaker:blast to the head
Speaker:by the halfway
Speaker:point.
Speaker:Jamie,
Speaker:I'm imagining
Speaker:alien when they
Speaker:first get the blood
Speaker:on the floor.
Speaker:It's just like
Speaker:your skin is
Speaker:styrofoam and
Speaker:it's just sinking
Speaker:right through.
Speaker:Paul Reiser,
Speaker:no.
Speaker:Is this
Speaker:supposed to
Speaker:smell like
Speaker:something I would
Speaker:normally use
Speaker:to remove a
Speaker:chemical of
Speaker:some kind?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It does smell
Speaker:a lot like
Speaker:if you wanted
Speaker:to like thin
Speaker:lacquer.
Speaker:I put a little
Speaker:goo gone on the
Speaker:outside to get rid
Speaker:of the label.
Speaker:So maybe you're
Speaker:picking up on that.
Speaker:But Malort itself
Speaker:smells very bad.
Speaker:I'm glad you just
Speaker:made this as toxic
Speaker:as possible.
Speaker:It was on the
Speaker:outside after I
Speaker:super glued it.
Speaker:So I didn't get
Speaker:inside.
Speaker:Don't worry.
Speaker:And I watched
Speaker:it multiple times.
Speaker:There was lots of
Speaker:soap involved.
Speaker:There should
Speaker:not be any goo
Speaker:gone left on the
Speaker:bottle.
Speaker:I think you're
Speaker:actually just
Speaker:smelling the
Speaker:Malort.
Speaker:I definitely
Speaker:am.
Speaker:Interesting.
Speaker:Well, folks,
Speaker:I didn't make
Speaker:an official drink
Speaker:for tonight's
Speaker:episode.
Speaker:So please,
Speaker:please just
Speaker:oh, I'm drinking
Speaker:something delicious
Speaker:on my own.
Speaker:It's great.
Speaker:I can kick him
Speaker:back and enjoy
Speaker:life.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:On the
Speaker:count of three,
Speaker:Jamie.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:One, two,
Speaker:three.
Speaker:Oh, God.
Speaker:That is like
Speaker:the worst kind
Speaker:of.
Speaker:Golf medicine.
Speaker:Oh,
Speaker:I've had a
Speaker:little nip of
Speaker:moonshine before.
Speaker:It's not
Speaker:dissimilar to
Speaker:that, but
Speaker:moonshine does
Speaker:not have that
Speaker:burn to it.
Speaker:Hey, Mikey,
Speaker:I think she
Speaker:likes it.
Speaker:You do seem
Speaker:to be a fan.
Speaker:I don't know
Speaker:how about
Speaker:that.
Speaker:Jamie sounds
Speaker:excited about it.
Speaker:Oh, no, this
Speaker:is how I the
Speaker:exact same way I
Speaker:reacted to that
Speaker:new spin.
Speaker:Spiced Coca-Cola
Speaker:that they have
Speaker:now.
Speaker:I found out
Speaker:about that
Speaker:recently.
Speaker:Saying spiced
Speaker:Coca-Cola just
Speaker:makes you sound
Speaker:like a very old
Speaker:person.
Speaker:Like, oh, they've
Speaker:started putting
Speaker:something new into
Speaker:sodas, which I
Speaker:want to make
Speaker:clear.
Speaker:I don't mean
Speaker:that in a good
Speaker:way.
Speaker:Just my reaction
Speaker:to new flavors
Speaker:is usually like
Speaker:an anthropologist
Speaker:encountering a new
Speaker:tribe.
Speaker:Oh, fascinating.
Speaker:By the way, that
Speaker:spiced Coke is so
Speaker:fucking weird.
Speaker:I've never had a
Speaker:soft drink only
Speaker:hit certain parts
Speaker:of my palate
Speaker:before.
Speaker:It's got like
Speaker:cinnamon and clove
Speaker:in it.
Speaker:It's weird.
Speaker:I can taste it on
Speaker:the front of my
Speaker:tongue and the
Speaker:back in the center
Speaker:of my tongue.
Speaker:It just tastes like
Speaker:water and a soft
Speaker:drink shouldn't be
Speaker:a psychedelic
Speaker:experience.
Speaker:Why is the taste
Speaker:of the Malort
Speaker:staying only in the
Speaker:back of my throat?
Speaker:It's weird, right?
Speaker:That's where it
Speaker:belongs now is it's
Speaker:made little caves
Speaker:inside of your
Speaker:throat and that's
Speaker:where the Malort
Speaker:lives.
Speaker:I do not
Speaker:recommend anyone
Speaker:at home drink
Speaker:for any reason
Speaker:really, but
Speaker:especially not
Speaker:while listening to
Speaker:Box Office Pulp,
Speaker:but I like the
Speaker:idea that anyone
Speaker:also drinking
Speaker:Malort right now
Speaker:is having like a
Speaker:4D experience
Speaker:or bonding
Speaker:right now.
Speaker:We should just
Speaker:promote this episode
Speaker:like one of the
Speaker:latter day saws
Speaker:like his legacy
Speaker:is spreading and
Speaker:it's just people
Speaker:drinking Malort
Speaker:all across the
Speaker:country.
Speaker:Wait, wait, I
Speaker:just we were
Speaker:talking about this
Speaker:before recording.
Speaker:Is this our
Speaker:version of the
Speaker:fucking survey
Speaker:crystal?
Speaker:I don't think
Speaker:they would have
Speaker:as catchy of a
Speaker:jingle.
Speaker:Jefferson's Mort
Speaker:is still a living
Speaker:thriving company,
Speaker:but I don't know
Speaker:if they have a
Speaker:jingle.
Speaker:I imagine it'd be
Speaker:something more like
Speaker:a heavier rock
Speaker:sound.
Speaker:I'll actually be
Speaker:right back in a
Speaker:sec.
Speaker:I'm already out
Speaker:of a drink.
Speaker:I need more
Speaker:of so
Speaker:because I don't
Speaker:want to commentate
Speaker:with this in the
Speaker:back of my throat.
Speaker:Good luck.
Speaker:It'll hang around
Speaker:for a while.
Speaker:Yeah, probably
Speaker:you'll get used
Speaker:to it.
Speaker:Stockholm syndrome.
Speaker:With a drink.
Speaker:Yeah, you just
Speaker:forget it's there.
Speaker:This is a commentary
Speaker:that has broke
Speaker:Mike's straight edge
Speaker:vow.
Speaker:It's like you cut
Speaker:the hair of Samson.
Speaker:Good.
Speaker:I haven't met his
Speaker:weakest.
Speaker:And we should
Speaker:probably start the
Speaker:commentary.
Speaker:Yeah, let's get
Speaker:around to it.
Speaker:All right, folks,
Speaker:you know the rules
Speaker:by now.
Speaker:We're going to
Speaker:count down from
Speaker:three and then
Speaker:start playing.
Speaker:So X, you just
Speaker:listen to us normal
Speaker:if you want, though.
Speaker:I don't care.
Speaker:Yeah, do what you
Speaker:want.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:One.
Speaker:Two.
Speaker:Three.
Speaker:Boom.
Speaker:Old lines date
Speaker:logo.
Speaker:Yay.
Speaker:It should be.
Speaker:It's got the
Speaker:goddamn long, but
Speaker:yeah.
Speaker:It always makes me
Speaker:feel like I'm watching
Speaker:Hellboy, too.
Speaker:I love it.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Fun memories.
Speaker:All right, let's
Speaker:get these jiggies
Speaker:out of the way.
Speaker:Directed by Kevin
Speaker:Greuter.
Speaker:He's back.
Speaker:Last time we saw
Speaker:him, the director
Speaker:chair was for
Speaker:Saw 3D back in
Speaker:2010.
Speaker:After that, he
Speaker:directed three
Speaker:non-Saw related
Speaker:films.
Speaker:Jessabelle,
Speaker:Visions, and
Speaker:Jackals.
Speaker:Big on Jays, I
Speaker:think.
Speaker:He also edited
Speaker:Jigsaw.
Speaker:This entry was
Speaker:written by Josh
Speaker:Stahlberg and
Speaker:Peter Goldfinger
Speaker:returning from
Speaker:Spiral.
Speaker:It's kind of
Speaker:amazing.
Speaker:These guys gave
Speaker:us three very
Speaker:distinct Saw
Speaker:movies, and the
Speaker:phone that finally
Speaker:caught on and got
Speaker:the fan base's
Speaker:approval is their
Speaker:swan song.
Speaker:Like, they're not
Speaker:on the next one.
Speaker:I don't even know
Speaker:if they've announced
Speaker:who the writer for
Speaker:Saw 11 is yet, but
Speaker:it's not them.
Speaker:It was an old
Speaker:script, so who
Speaker:knows?
Speaker:They got so many
Speaker:pitches in the
Speaker:off years.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Some of the fan
Speaker:theories going around
Speaker:is that Kevin's going
Speaker:to write, direct, and
Speaker:edit the next one
Speaker:all by himself, which
Speaker:I wouldn't be too
Speaker:surprised about.
Speaker:He's been with all
Speaker:the Saw movies, so
Speaker:it makes sense he
Speaker:just write one.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Anyways, our cast,
Speaker:we've got, as you
Speaker:can see, Tobin
Speaker:Bell is back in
Speaker:like an actual
Speaker:role instead of
Speaker:just playing like
Speaker:cameo roles in a
Speaker:baseball hat or,
Speaker:you know, a
Speaker:detective photo.
Speaker:That's great.
Speaker:We also have the
Speaker:return of Shawnee
Speaker:Smith.
Speaker:There's Amanda
Speaker:Young.
Speaker:And then, oh no,
Speaker:I'm so sorry to any
Speaker:Norwegians who are
Speaker:listening, but
Speaker:Sinove Makodi
Speaker:Lund, I hope I did
Speaker:that close.
Speaker:There's like an
Speaker:accent mark on the
Speaker:O I'm not sure what
Speaker:to do with, playing
Speaker:our villain, Cecilia
Speaker:Peterson.
Speaker:Lund has a pretty
Speaker:small filmography,
Speaker:only really starring
Speaker:in three films before
Speaker:Saw X, but she'd
Speaker:had very steady
Speaker:major roles in
Speaker:television since
Speaker:2015.
Speaker:We also have
Speaker:Stephen Brand as
Speaker:Parker Sears.
Speaker:He's a
Speaker:Mike here will tell
Speaker:you the most important
Speaker:thing to know about
Speaker:Brand is that he
Speaker:played Memnon in
Speaker:The Scorpion King.
Speaker:Although we should
Speaker:also mention that he
Speaker:was in Hellraiser
Speaker:Revelations and was
Speaker:the big bad boss in
Speaker:Mayhem.
Speaker:And most
Speaker:importantly, above
Speaker:all else, beyond
Speaker:Scorpion King, he
Speaker:was Father Alexander
Speaker:Anderson in
Speaker:Hellsing.
Speaker:So guys got
Speaker:cred.
Speaker:Our cinematography
Speaker:here is by Nick
Speaker:Matthews.
Speaker:This was a bit of a
Speaker:surprise going through
Speaker:his IMDb.
Speaker:I didn't see any
Speaker:previous Saw credits
Speaker:on his resume.
Speaker:Most of the time,
Speaker:the DP is
Speaker:someone with some
Speaker:connection to the
Speaker:franchise, like they've
Speaker:worked on previous
Speaker:films, maybe they're a
Speaker:camera operator and
Speaker:they were moved up
Speaker:through the ranks, but
Speaker:he seems to be a new
Speaker:face.
Speaker:Our music is by
Speaker:Charlie Clouser.
Speaker:We've got editing by
Speaker:Kevin Greuter
Speaker:pulling double duty on
Speaker:this movie.
Speaker:Our release date was
Speaker:September 29th, 2023,
Speaker:which was a little
Speaker:bit of an odd move.
Speaker:Putting it on the
Speaker:all the way back
Speaker:before even October
Speaker:started, but the
Speaker:movie was a very
Speaker:big hit.
Speaker:So what do I know?
Speaker:It doesn't have to be
Speaker:October to be Saw.
Speaker:Blasphemy.
Speaker:It seems weird, right?
Speaker:And the next one
Speaker:started for September
Speaker:as well.
Speaker:So they've kind of
Speaker:just abandoned
Speaker:October.
Speaker:If it's back to
Speaker:school season, it
Speaker:must be Saw.
Speaker:If it's Labor Day,
Speaker:it must be John's
Speaker:time.
Speaker:John executes
Speaker:someone for wearing
Speaker:white.
Speaker:Our budget here was
Speaker:$13 million.
Speaker:So after the
Speaker:disappointment of
Speaker:Spiral, the budget
Speaker:took a step back
Speaker:for this entry.
Speaker:I think that one was
Speaker:closer to about $20
Speaker:million.
Speaker:Although I imagine a
Speaker:big part of that is
Speaker:they didn't have to pay
Speaker:Chris Rock or Samuel
Speaker:Jackson this time
Speaker:around.
Speaker:So you can probably
Speaker:save a decent amount
Speaker:of money when you
Speaker:don't have major
Speaker:AAA stars.
Speaker:And for returns,
Speaker:this movie pulled in
Speaker:$111.8 million
Speaker:worldwide.
Speaker:So really big jump
Speaker:back into big,
Speaker:big old profits
Speaker:considering $13 million
Speaker:investment.
Speaker:$112 return.
Speaker:Not too shabby.
Speaker:There's our jiggies.
Speaker:Just in time for
Speaker:our first trap of the
Speaker:movie, which I'm of
Speaker:mixed opinions about.
Speaker:I'm mixed, but I
Speaker:ultimately, I'm glad
Speaker:it's here.
Speaker:Like on the one hand,
Speaker:I totally understand
Speaker:like, oh God, it would
Speaker:be just conceptually.
Speaker:It would be so cool
Speaker:to have a Saw movie
Speaker:where no Saw thing
Speaker:happens until like
Speaker:halfway through the
Speaker:movie.
Speaker:But at the same time,
Speaker:God, it's, there's
Speaker:something so fascinating
Speaker:about having a trap
Speaker:that in addition to,
Speaker:you know, it's narrative
Speaker:purpose of just giving
Speaker:us a little action for
Speaker:a slow first act also
Speaker:gives us kind of a look
Speaker:into John's mind and
Speaker:his thought process.
Speaker:That's, that's where
Speaker:I'm at.
Speaker:Like,
Speaker:it's, it's one of those
Speaker:frustrating, okay, we
Speaker:need a trap in here to
Speaker:spice things up.
Speaker:John, imagine someone
Speaker:in a trap.
Speaker:It feels narratively
Speaker:a little cheap, but
Speaker:they get out of it by
Speaker:giving us a little window
Speaker:into John's thought
Speaker:process.
Speaker:You know, we see him
Speaker:peeking around the
Speaker:hospital and using that
Speaker:as inspiration for how
Speaker:he had tortured this
Speaker:guy.
Speaker:It's kind of fascinating
Speaker:that even in John's
Speaker:fantasies, the people
Speaker:fail the traps.
Speaker:Yes, which says a lot
Speaker:actually.
Speaker:Yeah, just, just his
Speaker:kind of view, pessimistic
Speaker:view of the world.
Speaker:No, it doesn't kill
Speaker:him.
Speaker:He fails it, but it
Speaker:doesn't technically kill
Speaker:him.
Speaker:It probably sucked his
Speaker:brains out too.
Speaker:We just didn't see him
Speaker:leaking out.
Speaker:Also, I love his, I'm
Speaker:sorry.
Speaker:I think, no, I would
Speaker:say, yeah, this works
Speaker:for me because it
Speaker:justifies itself, even
Speaker:though if it was just,
Speaker:oh, here's our way of
Speaker:getting a trap in, I
Speaker:probably would have
Speaker:been fine with it.
Speaker:But the purview into
Speaker:like John's brain, the
Speaker:way he's just in the
Speaker:room starts putting
Speaker:together what to use
Speaker:for a trap.
Speaker:And his feelings and
Speaker:kind of like inner
Speaker:anger, but also the
Speaker:fact he kind of, it
Speaker:shows like his morality
Speaker:whenever the orderly
Speaker:puts the stuff back
Speaker:upon getting caught.
Speaker:And John's like, yeah,
Speaker:okay, that's good
Speaker:enough.
Speaker:I also just love the
Speaker:almost self parody
Speaker:moralizing about the
Speaker:nobility of the
Speaker:hospital janitor.
Speaker:Almost like John is
Speaker:saying, okay, if I were
Speaker:to turn this into a
Speaker:jigsaw thing, what
Speaker:thing would I say as a
Speaker:first draft?
Speaker:I should say, when we
Speaker:were talking about this
Speaker:movie before recording
Speaker:the episode, I kind of
Speaker:made some comments like,
Speaker:oh, I don't know.
Speaker:I kind of wish they had
Speaker:done more of the
Speaker:stylistic editing of
Speaker:Bozeman's entries and
Speaker:then rewatching the film
Speaker:and I was, oh, I said a
Speaker:stupid thing.
Speaker:Because if you watch
Speaker:that scene, you can
Speaker:clearly see it's as
Speaker:stylized as ever, if not
Speaker:more so than most of
Speaker:the entries.
Speaker:I particularly actually
Speaker:like the camera rig they
Speaker:have set up where when
Speaker:the fingers are breaking,
Speaker:the camera quickly does
Speaker:like a 90 degree turn to
Speaker:follow the action of the
Speaker:finger.
Speaker:It's very kinetic.
Speaker:And I don't know what I
Speaker:was thinking when I
Speaker:complained about that.
Speaker:I'd forgotten how much
Speaker:work they had really done
Speaker:to film these things in
Speaker:a style similar to a lot
Speaker:of the earlier entries.
Speaker:Yeah, it's nowhere near
Speaker:as grimy as the previous
Speaker:entry, but you can tell
Speaker:they very much
Speaker:tried in both the
Speaker:directorial style and
Speaker:art design, all the
Speaker:production stuff.
Speaker:They kind of took
Speaker:cherry picked little bits
Speaker:and pieces from every
Speaker:Saw movie to create a
Speaker:unified aesthetic for the
Speaker:series.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:This is the first Saw
Speaker:movie that looks like
Speaker:what Saw looks like in
Speaker:your head.
Speaker:And one interesting thing
Speaker:that I caught on the
Speaker:commentary when they were
Speaker:discussing filming choices
Speaker:for the movie was how
Speaker:they approached flashbacks
Speaker:because the series has
Speaker:been littered with
Speaker:flashbacks, but their
Speaker:normal approach on those
Speaker:was to change the color
Speaker:grading, like they would
Speaker:put it into a different
Speaker:color style, maybe make it
Speaker:a little hazier or
Speaker:whatever, and you would
Speaker:get a very quick visual
Speaker:sense.
Speaker:Oh, yeah, this is
Speaker:happening on a different
Speaker:timeline.
Speaker:And what they did here
Speaker:was they decided that
Speaker:looked too dated because
Speaker:Saw has been around for
Speaker:20 plus years.
Speaker:They had to do some
Speaker:things to freshen up.
Speaker:And one of the choices
Speaker:Reuter made was to
Speaker:instead do flashbacks
Speaker:with a much different
Speaker:lens than the rest of
Speaker:the film, like use, I
Speaker:think using like a 16
Speaker:millimeter lens, you
Speaker:know, something like
Speaker:that instead to give it
Speaker:a very, very different
Speaker:focal setting.
Speaker:And you would be able
Speaker:to tell that way
Speaker:something maybe not as
Speaker:obvious if you're not
Speaker:paying full attention,
Speaker:but clearly different
Speaker:from the rest of the
Speaker:film, which is kind of
Speaker:an interesting way to go
Speaker:to make the movie feel
Speaker:modern while still giving
Speaker:it a little bit of extra
Speaker:juice.
Speaker:Also, I just want to tag
Speaker:up on that very
Speaker:thoughtful comment with
Speaker:is he about to tell
Speaker:John that he needs
Speaker:to seek out
Speaker:commatage?
Speaker:There's a new
Speaker:Marvel movie.
Speaker:So we we find out
Speaker:that this movie really
Speaker:was inspired by
Speaker:part six.
Speaker:There's a moment where
Speaker:Jigsaw goes to
Speaker:William, who is his
Speaker:health care, well,
Speaker:insurance guy.
Speaker:And he's denied coverage
Speaker:for the treatment that
Speaker:this character is
Speaker:currently explaining.
Speaker:In that movie, they
Speaker:make it sound like it's
Speaker:an actual treatment and
Speaker:the guy's just a jerk by
Speaker:telling John, no, you
Speaker:can't have it.
Speaker:This movie, spoilers, we
Speaker:find out it's all a scam
Speaker:in the first place.
Speaker:It's a neat bit of
Speaker:continuity, but I'm glad
Speaker:they don't stress it as
Speaker:much as they could have
Speaker:in the deleted scenes for
Speaker:the film.
Speaker:They actually have a
Speaker:whole section where they
Speaker:have footage from Saw
Speaker:six just inserted into
Speaker:this film.
Speaker:And one, I'm glad they
Speaker:didn't because I don't
Speaker:think narratively it
Speaker:works.
Speaker:Perfectly, like you can
Speaker:tell it's a bit of a
Speaker:retcon.
Speaker:And two, it looks very,
Speaker:very silly to see John
Speaker:from like 2012 all of a
Speaker:sudden compared to John
Speaker:from 2023.
Speaker:A much cheaper looking
Speaker:movie.
Speaker:Look, I have a theory.
Speaker:John has a rare type of
Speaker:cancer that causes him to
Speaker:age and de-age back and
Speaker:forth rapidly.
Speaker:That's what they call
Speaker:that.
Speaker:Spontaneous,
Speaker:uncontrollable
Speaker:bungeonitis.
Speaker:My only question is,
Speaker:my only regret is that I
Speaker:have Benjamin
Speaker:buttonitis.
Speaker:I love that John still
Speaker:has Windows 98.
Speaker:And Hunts and Pecks.
Speaker:They talked about this
Speaker:pretty extensively in the
Speaker:making of feature for the
Speaker:movie, but one of the big
Speaker:challenges with this film
Speaker:is trying to do a John
Speaker:story that doesn't make
Speaker:him out to look like a
Speaker:big old dummy.
Speaker:Yeah, because the
Speaker:crux of this is John
Speaker:falls for a phishing scam.
Speaker:So inherently it's set up
Speaker:as John is being fooled
Speaker:and taken advantage of,
Speaker:but he is also, as the
Speaker:rest of the series would
Speaker:portray, like one of the
Speaker:world's most brilliant men
Speaker:and like raised tacticians
Speaker:and he knows everything
Speaker:about you, even if you
Speaker:don't kind of guys.
Speaker:So it's real hard to hit
Speaker:that balance right.
Speaker:And they mostly pull it
Speaker:off.
Speaker:And I think Tobin was
Speaker:pretty instrumental in
Speaker:that because he insisted
Speaker:like, hey, I don't want
Speaker:my guy to look like a
Speaker:dummy.
Speaker:I, you know, I love this
Speaker:character and I really
Speaker:don't want him to come
Speaker:off as cheap just so we
Speaker:can get this plot in
Speaker:motion.
Speaker:So I think you can tell
Speaker:throughout this movie,
Speaker:they go the extra effort
Speaker:to show that, you know,
Speaker:they're applying to his
Speaker:emotions to really trick
Speaker:him into this stuff.
Speaker:And they take their time
Speaker:getting to the point where
Speaker:he sends the money, goes
Speaker:to Mexico.
Speaker:They don't rush through
Speaker:it all in like a five
Speaker:minute montage at the
Speaker:very start of the film
Speaker:so they can get to the
Speaker:blood.
Speaker:And they really show how
Speaker:hopeless he is.
Speaker:And bad off John is
Speaker:prior to this.
Speaker:So he's very susceptible.
Speaker:I think that adds also to
Speaker:his anger whenever he
Speaker:discovers it's a ruse
Speaker:too, is the fact that
Speaker:to him, it's there's
Speaker:also a bit of, but I'm
Speaker:fucking jigsaw.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:One thing I want to say
Speaker:it's fucking hilarious to
Speaker:me that John Kramer
Speaker:sends all of his emails
Speaker:and messages with
Speaker:ellipses at the end.
Speaker:Like, of course he
Speaker:would.
Speaker:I'm very interested.
Speaker:Were you saying
Speaker:anything, John?
Speaker:No, that was the end
Speaker:of the message.
Speaker:Oh, that's a there's
Speaker:a particular moment in
Speaker:the deleted scenes
Speaker:where you see John
Speaker:kind of point out the
Speaker:irony that of all the
Speaker:people in the world
Speaker:to be an old man
Speaker:conned by a scheme.
Speaker:It's me, jigsaw.
Speaker:Well, I think the timing
Speaker:on this works pretty well
Speaker:to like it feels topical
Speaker:without being overbearing
Speaker:like this is going to
Speaker:work in a few years.
Speaker:But I think it hits
Speaker:particularly well right
Speaker:now.
Speaker:It just just due to the
Speaker:rise of kind of fishing
Speaker:schemes that are dependent
Speaker:on getting people kind of
Speaker:emotionally invested in
Speaker:this game.
Speaker:Like during COVID, a lot
Speaker:of people were just stuck
Speaker:at home.
Speaker:I think there was a
Speaker:desperation for human
Speaker:contact.
Speaker:And you know what?
Speaker:There was a John Oliver
Speaker:segment yesterday on last
Speaker:week tonight.
Speaker:Just talking about how
Speaker:this how many people fell
Speaker:down that rabbit hole.
Speaker:You know, you get a wrong
Speaker:message.
Speaker:They start talking to you
Speaker:all of a sudden.
Speaker:They seem nice.
Speaker:You're lonely.
Speaker:And then they start talking to you.
Speaker:And then they start talking to you.
Speaker:And then they start talking to you.
Speaker:And then they start talking to you.
Speaker:And then they set you up to
Speaker:start investing in a fake
Speaker:company.
Speaker:And before you know it, oh,
Speaker:no, I've lost three hundred
Speaker:thousand dollars.
Speaker:So we're in that phase where,
Speaker:you know, it's happening all
Speaker:the time.
Speaker:A lot of older folks are kind
Speaker:of desperate for that
Speaker:connection.
Speaker:And it makes sense for the
Speaker:audience why John would fall
Speaker:for something like this,
Speaker:because we probably have a
Speaker:relative who might have done
Speaker:something stupid in the same
Speaker:way.
Speaker:And it's also another thing
Speaker:where the.
Speaker:Where the time period it
Speaker:takes place in really helps
Speaker:them there.
Speaker:Because this is still pre
Speaker:Nigerian Prince Internet
Speaker:where everyone isn't
Speaker:even with even though you can
Speaker:Google somebody in two thousand
Speaker:two, it's not the same as
Speaker:trying to find out if
Speaker:something's a scam now.
Speaker:Like there was so resources
Speaker:were so significantly smaller
Speaker:back then.
Speaker:Very true.
Speaker:Plus, I wish they'd used the
Speaker:new term for it, like pig
Speaker:butchering would have been
Speaker:thematically such a better fit
Speaker:than just fishing.
Speaker:Although we do have that fun
Speaker:deleted scene where John starts
Speaker:explaining, like you went
Speaker:fishing over the pH.
Speaker:I enjoy it because in the
Speaker:making of feature ads, they go
Speaker:into like we explain the
Speaker:concept to Tobin Bell and he
Speaker:went on that rant in real time
Speaker:like he just made up that
Speaker:dialogue.
Speaker:Oh, God, nobody get him a DVD
Speaker:of Catfish the series.
Speaker:I love the idea of someone
Speaker:explaining to Tobin Bell like
Speaker:catfishing and him just like
Speaker:immediately getting the concept
Speaker:and starting to riff on it as
Speaker:jigsaw like, oh, wait, I can
Speaker:work with this.
Speaker:Give me a second.
Speaker:He can riff as jigsaw.
Speaker:We're in yellow
Speaker:tinted country.
Speaker:And this is one of the things I
Speaker:was kind of bitching about where
Speaker:it's it's a little old hat to
Speaker:say, oh, we're in Mexico.
Speaker:All of a sudden, it's got to be
Speaker:very warm tones.
Speaker:But at a certain point, you have
Speaker:to just give in that it's
Speaker:cinematic shorthand at this
Speaker:point.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Like, it's just a short
Speaker:cut, you know, which I
Speaker:true kind of.
Speaker:I mean, it'd be weird if they
Speaker:went something like if this was
Speaker:bright blue or something,
Speaker:everyone be scratching their
Speaker:heads like, well, it doesn't
Speaker:feel like they went to Mexico.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Then you would have thought,
Speaker:are we in Norway?
Speaker:I guess they looked at other
Speaker:spots beside Mexico to film a
Speaker:movie like they're thinking
Speaker:like, oh, we could go to like
Speaker:Bulgaria or some other cheaper
Speaker:country.
Speaker:And luckily, it all worked
Speaker:out.
Speaker:They actually filmed in Mexico.
Speaker:Imagine the other world where
Speaker:this was all shot in the
Speaker:European castle that
Speaker:Charles Band owns.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:That'd been kind of fun,
Speaker:though.
Speaker:Just saw X on the set of
Speaker:Castle Freak.
Speaker:Castle Saw.
Speaker:Also, I like how John gets to
Speaker:be in Breaking Bad for 15
Speaker:seconds.
Speaker:It's definitely like doing the
Speaker:walk in thing from Seven
Speaker:Psychopaths.
Speaker:Shoot me.
Speaker:I think what's fascinating,
Speaker:though, about stuff like this
Speaker:is just seeing how helpless
Speaker:and pathetic John actually
Speaker:is.
Speaker:He's never been an action
Speaker:hero, you know, even in two
Speaker:when he technically has all the
Speaker:cards, he still gets his
Speaker:fingers broken by Matthews and
Speaker:his face beat in like he's
Speaker:going to take a licking.
Speaker:He really can't overpower you.
Speaker:He kind of relies on help from
Speaker:his assistants and his
Speaker:persuasion to get all of his
Speaker:deeds done and only find
Speaker:himself in situations where he
Speaker:is the only one who could
Speaker:possibly be in control.
Speaker:Yeah, he has to manufacture
Speaker:everything.
Speaker:He has to make himself being
Speaker:powerful.
Speaker:And I like how they really
Speaker:highlight that with this by
Speaker:and I think it would have been
Speaker:easy in doing like a personal
Speaker:like straight John story to
Speaker:still try to make him kind of
Speaker:cool.
Speaker:Like a cool villain, but
Speaker:he's just shaking and kind of
Speaker:pathetic.
Speaker:Well, this one, this one.
Speaker:Boy, it kind of goes full
Speaker:circle from where we started
Speaker:with, where in Saw 1, we
Speaker:know almost nothing about the
Speaker:guy.
Speaker:He pops up off the floor and
Speaker:he's just kind of terrifying,
Speaker:right?
Speaker:Because we don't know anything
Speaker:about him, but he managed to do
Speaker:this whole thing while laying in
Speaker:the room with you.
Speaker:He has that thing on his face.
Speaker:Yeah, this one goes the other
Speaker:way around where we see him for
Speaker:two hours as a frail, dying old
Speaker:man who is just kind of sad
Speaker:about things.
Speaker:So it's very weird that we've
Speaker:gone 10 movies in and our
Speaker:monster is now more sympathetic
Speaker:than ever.
Speaker:And we see so much of his side
Speaker:where we don't.
Speaker:We don't hate him the way we
Speaker:might have after several of the
Speaker:other entries.
Speaker:I don't know.
Speaker:It's always been a weird thing
Speaker:where people have revered John,
Speaker:but you can clearly tell he's
Speaker:doing evil things.
Speaker:Yeah, I think they actually do a
Speaker:pretty good job in this and
Speaker:balancing of of really having it
Speaker:called out like John, you are
Speaker:being a hypocrite and doing evil
Speaker:things.
Speaker:Yeah, they finally have some
Speaker:people that get to kind of lay
Speaker:into him and hey, you don't have
Speaker:the moral high ground here.
Speaker:I wish those amounted to a little
Speaker:more.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Some of them ended up on the
Speaker:cutting room floor, but it's
Speaker:nice to get those moments.
Speaker:Obviously, it didn't take
Speaker:because this is like saw 1.5.
Speaker:So he would double down on
Speaker:everything when he gets back to
Speaker:the United States.
Speaker:I know one thing I know that's
Speaker:frustrated you, especially in
Speaker:the later movies, is those
Speaker:little added technicalities to
Speaker:the saw traps like, oh, you have
Speaker:to cut your own head off and
Speaker:also solve this math problem.
Speaker:But you know, are always just
Speaker:very trite ways of making sure
Speaker:that the audience still gets blood
Speaker:and guts at the end of the trap.
Speaker:I love how this is the first
Speaker:movie where those are there for
Speaker:a very clear narrative purpose.
Speaker:Like these are, it's made very
Speaker:clear to the audience.
Speaker:These are not John's regular
Speaker:traps.
Speaker:These are traps that are intended
Speaker:to not be completed.
Speaker:It's it still drives me kind of
Speaker:batty where he is like, there's
Speaker:moments where he can tell he is
Speaker:sad.
Speaker:When someone is dying or he
Speaker:kind of wants them to get
Speaker:through it, but he still put
Speaker:them in a situation where he's
Speaker:like, well, not only do you have
Speaker:to chop your leg off, you have
Speaker:to suck out the bone marrow from
Speaker:the severed leg and then you
Speaker:have to drop it into this vat.
Speaker:And if you don't do it within
Speaker:30 seconds, you will die while
Speaker:swearing this isn't punishment
Speaker:or revenge, right?
Speaker:Yeah, it's John.
Speaker:You can say that all you want.
Speaker:It kind of feels like revenge.
Speaker:Yeah, more or less having Amanda
Speaker:calling him on his bullshit.
Speaker:Which is fascinating.
Speaker:When you consider like her
Speaker:eventual arc, like, oh, John
Speaker:really did fuck her up, like
Speaker:mentally having her be actually
Speaker:sympathetic and going, this is
Speaker:not good.
Speaker:Like this is none of this is
Speaker:OK.
Speaker:There's got to we'll get into
Speaker:this later whenever she becomes
Speaker:part of the movie, but just
Speaker:spending time with an Amanda
Speaker:who at this point has probably
Speaker:killed Adam.
Speaker:But have it hasn't killed.
Speaker:Matthews.
Speaker:Yeah, Matthews.
Speaker:I almost called him Hoffman.
Speaker:I was like, no, there are other
Speaker:cops.
Speaker:There's a lot of cops.
Speaker:A lot of them.
Speaker:So this is, I would say, a very
Speaker:good mark of quality of the film
Speaker:where I enjoy this movie, even
Speaker:though I think this entire setup
Speaker:is very, very obnoxious.
Speaker:The whole scam is one thing, but
Speaker:to actually have a movie that's
Speaker:a base set up in Mexico, multiple
Speaker:paid actors, a as we'll find out
Speaker:later, actual surgical equipment
Speaker:is there, even though they don't
Speaker:use it.
Speaker:They have like an actual
Speaker:radiation machine in here.
Speaker:It's it's like they really went
Speaker:super, super far all to scan this
Speaker:guy out of like two hundred
Speaker:thousand bucks.
Speaker:Like there's got to be easier
Speaker:ways they could have just robbed
Speaker:him when they like had him in the
Speaker:taxi cab.
Speaker:Well, that's something I think
Speaker:that, you know, in my opinion,
Speaker:kind of elevates things.
Speaker:I think if the scam were less
Speaker:elaborate.
Speaker:It would just be John going up
Speaker:against some assholes.
Speaker:I think the theatricality raises
Speaker:Cecilia to.
Speaker:To John's level, like this is
Speaker:somebody who is going to an
Speaker:unnecessary degree to rob and
Speaker:humiliate these people.
Speaker:Like I think I think the unnecessary
Speaker:quality of it is what sells it.
Speaker:Yeah, they're equally intricate.
Speaker:Also, honestly, that's how intricate
Speaker:these real scams actually are.
Speaker:I have some doubts to get to the
Speaker:point of like relocating base for
Speaker:every person they scam.
Speaker:It feels like that really does.
Speaker:That is actually usually how it
Speaker:goes.
Speaker:I mean, hell, you can actually go
Speaker:losing so much on the set design.
Speaker:Mike, it's not efficient.
Speaker:You can actually go as far with
Speaker:like the I'm always fascinated by
Speaker:the people who go through the
Speaker:go forward with the Nigerian print
Speaker:scam to see exactly how far it will
Speaker:go.
Speaker:And you end up standing in a vault
Speaker:in another country somewhere.
Speaker:And they just.
Speaker:Pretty much just eventually just
Speaker:rob you because they are they're
Speaker:out of steps.
Speaker:Like you were supposed to give up
Speaker:at some point.
Speaker:I feel not swayed.
Speaker:I mean, obviously people do go to
Speaker:extreme lengths when they're trying
Speaker:to take money from other folks.
Speaker:The the larger point for me, though,
Speaker:is.
Speaker:I don't buy into the scam as being
Speaker:realistic in any way.
Speaker:It maybe fits into the saw universe
Speaker:where things are very large and
Speaker:theatrical, but it doesn't matter.
Speaker:I still enjoy the film, which I think
Speaker:is a pretty big mark on the quality
Speaker:of it, where the dramatics of it
Speaker:work so strong.
Speaker:I don't care that it's a little goofy
Speaker:getting to this point.
Speaker:Well, it helps that this is the first
Speaker:saw movie with an actual emotional
Speaker:core since three.
Speaker:That definitely helps.
Speaker:Yeah, I buy into the story they're
Speaker:telling here.
Speaker:Not not the plot.
Speaker:I guess, but like the actual
Speaker:dramatics and emotions here way more
Speaker:than pretty much any of the other
Speaker:saws.
Speaker:They still attempted them in the
Speaker:other saw movies, but it never
Speaker:landed for me.
Speaker:It always felt like it was just
Speaker:feather window dressing.
Speaker:This works.
Speaker:This feels like it's an actual movie.
Speaker:Yeah, this feels honestly like the
Speaker:first full on 100 percent narrative
Speaker:driven saw movie since the first one.
Speaker:Because even two and three, while
Speaker:still being heavily narrative driven,
Speaker:still had a lot of sauce.
Speaker:Stuff going on.
Speaker:Yeah, and a lot of the saw entries as
Speaker:we've gone through were there to be a
Speaker:rung on a ladder.
Speaker:They were leading you to the next step
Speaker:to the next step to the next step.
Speaker:And there was an eventual.
Speaker:Ending to the ladder, but it didn't
Speaker:feel like they'd kind of figured that
Speaker:out when they started building it.
Speaker:Yeah, this was nice.
Speaker:It ends and it's like, sure, there's
Speaker:other avenues where they could go.
Speaker:If you wanted to, you could go right
Speaker:back into the other saw movies and it
Speaker:fits nice enough.
Speaker:But this feels like it's designed to
Speaker:be its own.
Speaker:Separate thing.
Speaker:It tells a fairly complete story.
Speaker:It's like an actual movie instead of
Speaker:just a chapter.
Speaker:This is Logan for Jigsaw.
Speaker:Carlos.
Speaker:So I adore how on the nose the subplot
Speaker:is.
Speaker:Pool.
Speaker:This will come in handy later.
Speaker:Hmm.
Speaker:Also, you know, John,
Speaker:it's time because if he was still
Speaker:like healthy, he would have totally
Speaker:learned Spanish before traveling to
Speaker:Mexico.
Speaker:That kind of asshole.
Speaker:John would have actually been correcting
Speaker:them on their pronunciation.
Speaker:There's probably a whole deleted scene
Speaker:about that where he's getting down to
Speaker:somebody because their grammar shit.
Speaker:I feel like it was probably Tobin
Speaker:Bell's idea to have John specifically
Speaker:constantly asking questions.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Like really wanting specifics of
Speaker:everything and the fact they actually
Speaker:have answers for everything he's
Speaker:asking.
Speaker:Like it shows that he's still like
Speaker:cautious, but they keep actually
Speaker:following through with with what he's
Speaker:looking for.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:The deleted scenes contain a whole
Speaker:lot of medical jargon.
Speaker:So in an earlier cut of this movie,
Speaker:we were going to get a lot of
Speaker:information on what exactly this
Speaker:procedure was, which, by the way,
Speaker:we've alluded to it a couple of times.
Speaker:But.
Speaker:The Blu-ray release of Saw X.
Speaker:Has a deleted scenes reel.
Speaker:There's, yeah, a good number of deleted
Speaker:scenes.
Speaker:There's a director's commentary.
Speaker:There's selected scenes with extra
Speaker:director's commentary.
Speaker:There's like an hour and a half long
Speaker:making of feature.
Speaker:It's it's a surprisingly stacked
Speaker:release.
Speaker:What is this?
Speaker:2011?
Speaker:I couldn't believe it.
Speaker:One thing to go back to your point,
Speaker:Mike.
Speaker:About Kramer's observations.
Speaker:I liked in this moment.
Speaker:And they've helped him out.
Speaker:This isn't just a Kramer thing,
Speaker:but he's looking around and he's
Speaker:picking out these details and the
Speaker:camera takes the time to show him
Speaker:noticing and absorbing his
Speaker:surroundings.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So they go that extra mile to make
Speaker:him look perceptive and get the
Speaker:audience to understand that, you
Speaker:know, he's not just along for the
Speaker:ride.
Speaker:This is a guy who's still trying to
Speaker:ingest the world around him.
Speaker:Even when it's too late now to have
Speaker:second thoughts because he's already
Speaker:strapped into the table and they're
Speaker:cutting him open.
Speaker:Theoretically.
Speaker:It's something they tried at the end
Speaker:of Jigsaw, and I don't think it came
Speaker:across as well because the timing was
Speaker:bad.
Speaker:You know, we're like the laser beams
Speaker:are scorching the ceiling and you
Speaker:realize one second before the movie
Speaker:reveals that the lasers were fake.
Speaker:This one lets this kind of sit for a
Speaker:moment or two before John realizes
Speaker:he's been had.
Speaker:So it's it's.
Speaker:Feels more earned.
Speaker:It feels like better.
Speaker:Filmmaking that they let those things
Speaker:kind of digest with the audience.
Speaker:Well, it's so lovely to be in a saw
Speaker:movie that has the confidence to let
Speaker:stuff like that breathe.
Speaker:If this were made a decade ago,
Speaker:everybody would be in the warehouse
Speaker:by now.
Speaker:Yeah, we are.
Speaker:We're almost 30 minutes in 27,
Speaker:almost 28 minutes in.
Speaker:John saw a couple minutes before he
Speaker:figures out he's been scammed.
Speaker:There's still an hour and a half of
Speaker:movie left.
Speaker:They let this one be long.
Speaker:They let this one have time to breathe
Speaker:and develop.
Speaker:Thank God.
Speaker:And it works so much better than
Speaker:than if they had made it even shorter
Speaker:film.
Speaker:When was the last time we had a two
Speaker:hour long saw film?
Speaker:Saw seven, I think.
Speaker:That was surprisingly long.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And I know I think before that it was
Speaker:saw three, which was a little bit
Speaker:over two hours.
Speaker:Actually, saw 3D is only an hour and
Speaker:31 minutes.
Speaker:It just feels like it's two hours long.
Speaker:That's a story.
Speaker:I think most of them are right around
Speaker:that 90 minute mark.
Speaker:Kevin Greider was was talking like
Speaker:this was a unique challenge for him
Speaker:because it's the only time he's had
Speaker:too much footage.
Speaker:Normally, he's worried about not
Speaker:making a song movie long enough to
Speaker:feel like a proper movie.
Speaker:This one, he's like putting it
Speaker:together and he had like a three
Speaker:hour long cut.
Speaker:He's like, something's gone wrong.
Speaker:I don't know what to do.
Speaker:I have too much.
Speaker:Now, the original cut of the
Speaker:getting to know you scene in the
Speaker:warehouse later on is about 20
Speaker:minutes.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Once again, what a what a weird
Speaker:development considering the very first
Speaker:saw film.
Speaker:They literally had to use every scrap
Speaker:of film they had.
Speaker:They had like steel footage just to
Speaker:make the movie long enough.
Speaker:And this one is like, oh, my God,
Speaker:fuck.
Speaker:We have like two extra hours of
Speaker:footage we could just throw out.
Speaker:And it's nice that whatever weird
Speaker:edict there was like, no, it has to
Speaker:be an hour and a half long.
Speaker:Nothing over seems to have
Speaker:finally lifted and it paid off.
Speaker:Imagine that.
Speaker:Oh,
Speaker:I don't know if the producers are
Speaker:a little more hands off on this
Speaker:entry because the previous two
Speaker:hadn't quite connected.
Speaker:But in the making of feature, you
Speaker:don't hear as much of them saying,
Speaker:hey, these are things we were
Speaker:trying to do or change or control.
Speaker:It felt a little bit more like
Speaker:they let Greuter kind of do his
Speaker:thing.
Speaker:We had a script that had been
Speaker:around for a while, too.
Speaker:So they just went back to an idea
Speaker:they thought was good.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:They kind of trusted Tobin Bell to
Speaker:carry the movie, which all were
Speaker:smart choices.
Speaker:They all they all went the right
Speaker:direction.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:This feels very.
Speaker:From what we know of the producers
Speaker:so far.
Speaker:I say this with no offense, but
Speaker:very anti them.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Also, God, I could watch an entire
Speaker:movie of just this
Speaker:montage.
Speaker:Loving a life.
Speaker:Jigsaw.
Speaker:The product sponsorship.
Speaker:I never thought we'd see like a
Speaker:official like booze sponsor of a
Speaker:movie of a saw movie.
Speaker:So
Speaker:that joke will make no sense by the
Speaker:time we get this edited.
Speaker:Now, people are going to forget
Speaker:about it already.
Speaker:The Internet may discover it again.
Speaker:It'd be nice.
Speaker:So as we're talking about the music,
Speaker:though, I just want to go into how
Speaker:unique the score is compared to
Speaker:Charlie Clouser's other entries.
Speaker:Like it's the least industrial of
Speaker:all of them, which is the hallmark
Speaker:of his saw music.
Speaker:Obviously, he hasn't done that
Speaker:entirely.
Speaker:He's tried to get away from it.
Speaker:I think in some of the later
Speaker:entries, especially the spinoff
Speaker:entries.
Speaker:But if you pop on the DVD
Speaker:and just like let it sit on the
Speaker:opening menu, it feels like you're
Speaker:listening to a classic score from
Speaker:like a like a really dark thriller
Speaker:or a monster movie.
Speaker:It doesn't feel like
Speaker:a jigsaw music.
Speaker:It's also weird to have a saw
Speaker:movie where the DVD credit
Speaker:menu isn't just the sounds
Speaker:of like metal scraping against
Speaker:some.
Speaker:But the one I have is like, yeah,
Speaker:like bad fluorescent lights like
Speaker:flickering in and out and then like
Speaker:a gurney being pushed down a
Speaker:hallway.
Speaker:It sounds like a Halloween
Speaker:soundtrack, you know, like put
Speaker:this on for your haunted house.
Speaker:That's one of the things I came
Speaker:away really loving about this
Speaker:movie is.
Speaker:It has.
Speaker:The the aesthetic
Speaker:darkness that you want from a saw
Speaker:movie, but it's not gross
Speaker:and grimy
Speaker:in the way that most of them
Speaker:are. This isn't.
Speaker:A dirty movie
Speaker:visually.
Speaker:There's a weird like a veneer
Speaker:of almost like classic Hollywood
Speaker:class to this.
Speaker:It fits the fact we're following
Speaker:John like it's
Speaker:a very,
Speaker:very clean, like classical
Speaker:version of the normal
Speaker:saw score.
Speaker:There is such a rush.
Speaker:They knocked over everything, but left the
Speaker:monitors on.
Speaker:These guys forgot their DVD.
Speaker:That's like 20 bucks.
Speaker:They'll never get back.
Speaker:This is what I'm talking about.
Speaker:They're not efficient scammers.
Speaker:It's a VHS.
Speaker:He presses play and it's
Speaker:the video of that rock star from
Speaker:the saw to DVD.
Speaker:Why did that guy think his band
Speaker:mates were going to be cool
Speaker:about it?
Speaker:So there we go.
Speaker:Kind of a classic saw thing where you have a character
Speaker:figuring out what's going on
Speaker:by flashing back to the past.
Speaker:Only this time they didn't save it for
Speaker:the very end of the movie. We have this flashback
Speaker:happening to John
Speaker:30 minutes in kind of signaling
Speaker:the end of act one.
Speaker:We get a lot of flashbacks
Speaker:to things earlier in the movie and
Speaker:normal saw fashion. And I
Speaker:love that. Like it happens multiple times.
Speaker:We get a montage
Speaker:of Amanda just doing Amanda
Speaker:stuff at one point. It's delightful.
Speaker:Amanda revealing herself to be
Speaker:Amanda over and over.
Speaker:Over and over again.
Speaker:So here we get
Speaker:kind of a nice twist on
Speaker:jigsaw music where it's more
Speaker:percussive. It sounds
Speaker:I can tell you they're giving John like scary
Speaker:monster movie music now.
Speaker:Which I dig.
Speaker:Oh yeah. Make him a little bit
Speaker:more of a movie monster.
Speaker:I mean we're 10 and I think it's okay.
Speaker:We can just admit he's like an iconic character
Speaker:in horror cinema. Just treat him like one.
Speaker:So John must have been so happy.
Speaker:A market with many masks.
Speaker:His favorite thing. So many choices.
Speaker:So I'm sorry but every time
Speaker:we cut to the cabbie I just think
Speaker:Dopinder from Deadpool.
Speaker:I just keep thinking we're going to cut
Speaker:inside it and it's just going to be Dopinder.
Speaker:So we are
Speaker:34 minutes
Speaker:into the movie and outside
Speaker:of that one fantasy sequence
Speaker:this is the first
Speaker:saw thing that happened.
Speaker:Right? It's pretty weird.
Speaker:And it's a gnarly one too.
Speaker:We got pipe bombs. We got like
Speaker:Edward Fortyhands but with knives.
Speaker:I'm fascinated by
Speaker:this scene in
Speaker:particular because this is
Speaker:the most
Speaker:in my opinion the most
Speaker:super villain John has
Speaker:ever been in the series. This is just
Speaker:some death
Speaker:stroke shit.
Speaker:I'm going to improvise
Speaker:a saw trap just to
Speaker:interrogate this dude.
Speaker:And what's great is
Speaker:there's no
Speaker:real
Speaker:reason for him to still do this
Speaker:in a saw style. But that's just
Speaker:how John operates. So he
Speaker:just the fact he
Speaker:improvises a full
Speaker:saw plot instead of just
Speaker:kidnapping the guy and interrogating him.
Speaker:It's fun he knows how to make
Speaker:pipe bombs. I like that fact.
Speaker:Not only is he a civil engineer but he knows how
Speaker:the anarchist's curveball works.
Speaker:And graft them into somebody.
Speaker:Also this is a trap that is so
Speaker:like most of the traps
Speaker:in this movie so creatively
Speaker:gnarly.
Speaker:I feel like a common
Speaker:problem with saw traps is
Speaker:the
Speaker:setup is
Speaker:very complicated but the
Speaker:actual violence is
Speaker:fairly simple.
Speaker:Eyeball go boom.
Speaker:Teeth get pulled out. Things like that.
Speaker:There is something so
Speaker:squeaky and wrong
Speaker:about somebody just
Speaker:digging things out of
Speaker:their wrists.
Speaker:Yeah we really are back in
Speaker:the simplicity of
Speaker:the early saws more than
Speaker:whatever some
Speaker:of the traps turned into.
Speaker:Should I have
Speaker:sent you guys as Malort wrapped in like 18
Speaker:layers of duct tape to kind of simulate
Speaker:having these duct tape hands?
Speaker:Like play the message. I don't have fingers
Speaker:John. It's hard to push the play button.
Speaker:I like how he still went out and bought
Speaker:a micro cassette tape tape
Speaker:recorder. He just carries them with him
Speaker:just in case he has ideas. I don't know.
Speaker:John shower thoughts.
Speaker:I want it. Yeah. A whole deleted scene where he's
Speaker:just in Target or something like just walking around Kmart
Speaker:like this could come in handy.
Speaker:I need to build a new Billy.
Speaker:I want to get
Speaker:a cross made out of kryptonite
Speaker:so that I can kill vampires
Speaker:and Superman.
Speaker:Or vampire Superman.
Speaker:These have been
Speaker:Deep Thoughts with John
Speaker:Kramer.
Speaker:I know
Speaker:we're not there. We're not there for a while. Can we just
Speaker:appreciate the fact that he told
Speaker:Amanda specifically bring
Speaker:Billy.
Speaker:I'm so fascinated
Speaker:that like a list was
Speaker:made. Bring my instruments
Speaker:of hell.
Speaker:Can you get Billy through customs?
Speaker:Did you ever hear the story
Speaker:of like Jason Segel?
Speaker:When he was making the Muppets, he had
Speaker:his version of himself as a Muppet in his
Speaker:carry-on luggage and like
Speaker:TSA opened the box and like what's in here
Speaker:and it's just him as a terrifying Muppet staring back
Speaker:and they basically just closed the lid like
Speaker:we don't want to know.
Speaker:Just imagine that's what's going on with Billy.
Speaker:Like some poor guy is just going to be like what the
Speaker:fuck? Uh, all right.
Speaker:This one's kind of interesting to me because of the choices
Speaker:John made for this guy's trap. Like
Speaker:one, this guy gets three whole minutes. It feels like he has
Speaker:way more time than most other folks.
Speaker:Two, he has to cut himself
Speaker:up pretty bad and lose a lot of blood and skin.
Speaker:But most of John's
Speaker:traps are designed to like permanently maim you.
Speaker:Like, oh, cut off a leg.
Speaker:Break all of your fingers. Gouge out an eye.
Speaker:Uh, stab this dead
Speaker:guy and then, oh, he's alive.
Speaker:This one is fairly
Speaker:in regards to Jigsaw
Speaker:lenient.
Speaker:It's almost like he wants him to live so he can get information
Speaker:and everybody else he wants to die.
Speaker:Well, he still opens the
Speaker:trap by saying, I already told you everything. I gave you all
Speaker:the people. And I think the editing
Speaker:of the deleted scenes kind of shows like he'd
Speaker:already drilled this guy for information before
Speaker:putting him in the trap. Yeah, he interrogates him
Speaker:in the chair and then does
Speaker:the game afterwards. This is still
Speaker:like, I need to put you through a lesson.
Speaker:You gotta learn.
Speaker:I really like how the
Speaker:design for all the traps are really just based
Speaker:on what
Speaker:John's gone through, what
Speaker:they represent. Like, just having to
Speaker:perform surgery in really specific
Speaker:ways or go through medical
Speaker:procedures. Yeah, well, it's just
Speaker:John being angry. Yeah, well, this
Speaker:one calls out, you cut the cancer out, the thing they couldn't
Speaker:do to him. So he's going to make this guy
Speaker:do it to himself.
Speaker:You know, all the traps tie
Speaker:pretty nicely, I think, to the predicament
Speaker:that's going on.
Speaker:I mean, honestly,
Speaker:it'd be weird if we had a Saw where
Speaker:it wasn't themed. I think they should have leaned into
Speaker:it more in all the other movies.
Speaker:But this
Speaker:one, what? We've got technically
Speaker:that self-surgery with the pipe bombs.
Speaker:We have the surgery Saw
Speaker:where a character has to cut their leg off with an old
Speaker:school surgery Saw.
Speaker:We've got the radiation
Speaker:machine. What else am I
Speaker:missing? I feel like most of them are actually
Speaker:involving surgical tools or surgery
Speaker:things. Yeah, the brain surgery.
Speaker:Yeah, the brain. They're all very on
Speaker:brand, which I appreciate.
Speaker:The only other way
Speaker:that would have been cool is all the traps were super
Speaker:Mexico-themed, like the one where the guy does the brain
Speaker:surgery and then the, like,
Speaker:Aztec mask clamps on him at the end.
Speaker:That was awesome. I wish John did a little bit
Speaker:more of that. Just a little extra flair
Speaker:for no reason whatsoever. Like, well, when in Mexico.
Speaker:The only way to survive
Speaker:this trap is to cut off your own heart.
Speaker:Yeah. He goes
Speaker:to New York City and does traps, and one of them
Speaker:is like, oh, you'll be encased in the Statue of
Speaker:Liberty for all time.
Speaker:You'll drown in pizza dough.
Speaker:Isn't it kind of surprising?
Speaker:We never found a reason to do Saw
Speaker:spinoffs that are just themed for location.
Speaker:Like, he goes to
Speaker:Washington, D.C. to fight politicians, and
Speaker:all the traps are like, you get
Speaker:crushed or impaled by the Washington
Speaker:Monument in miniature. House of Jigsaw.
Speaker:House of Jigsaw, yeah.
Speaker:Jigsaw goes Hawaiian.
Speaker:That would also be very fun.
Speaker:So many pineapples.
Speaker:So many pineapples. Oh, no.
Speaker:I did just rewatch Little Nicky, so it'd be
Speaker:that situation. They're just shoving pineapples up your ass.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:God. Before we get too far away
Speaker:from it, I just want to
Speaker:talk about the use of color
Speaker:in this sequence,
Speaker:which I thought was really fascinating.
Speaker:In
Speaker:the entire
Speaker:Amanda capturing victims
Speaker:sequence, each of
Speaker:these victims has their own
Speaker:theme of color. Yes.
Speaker:Other scenes designed around, which is a
Speaker:color that comes up
Speaker:later in the main
Speaker:warehouse.
Speaker:All of this inspired by Giallo.
Speaker:They could not stop saying
Speaker:Giallo when they were in the making of
Speaker:Featurettes. This is very Giallo.
Speaker:The number one thing they were saying over and over, they were just
Speaker:such big fans of Giallo, they just
Speaker:wanted to do their own focus
Speaker:spin on it for once. Which makes a lot of sense
Speaker:when you think about, okay, this was originally supposed
Speaker:to be European.
Speaker:God, we've been chasing
Speaker:90s neo-noir
Speaker:this entire series. Seeing this
Speaker:go into the same
Speaker:kind of territory that
Speaker:Juan would be doing
Speaker:not too long before
Speaker:with Malignant. That's
Speaker:really fresh. Because it
Speaker:still kind of comes from the same
Speaker:basic place, it doesn't feel out of place
Speaker:for a Saw movie.
Speaker:It's an Ouroboros. We always come back around
Speaker:Giallo.
Speaker:I would say to
Speaker:that point and direction,
Speaker:I've been, I would say
Speaker:fairly hard on Greider's
Speaker:Saw movies, because
Speaker:I haven't enjoyed most of the ones he's
Speaker:been the director on, or really heavily involved with.
Speaker:Well, maybe that's not fair.
Speaker:He's been heavily involved with all of them.
Speaker:But the ones where he's the creative controller.
Speaker:And then you get to this one,
Speaker:which is really good. And it makes me
Speaker:wonder, okay, have I just not been familiar
Speaker:with your game the whole time? Because if you listen
Speaker:to all of his commentary,
Speaker:if you listen to him provide
Speaker:the specific scene commentary,
Speaker:he's very frank,
Speaker:he's insightful, he's not full of
Speaker:himself when he's talking about this stuff, he's not being
Speaker:pretentious, he's not saying, oh, I've made a
Speaker:masterpiece, or he's not dismissive
Speaker:of the material, or, oh, we're just making a Saw movie.
Speaker:He has an attitude
Speaker:towards the whole thing that I really appreciate and admire.
Speaker:And when you
Speaker:start paying attention to some of those technical details
Speaker:he's sprinkled throughout the film,
Speaker:you know, they're very good.
Speaker:Like, I'm surprised. Like, there's a lot
Speaker:more craft going on than I would have expected
Speaker:considering Saw VII.
Speaker:And it makes you wonder how much of this was stuff out of his
Speaker:control the entire time, where it was
Speaker:time crackdowns, budget crackdowns,
Speaker:studio,
Speaker:video interference, bad scripts.
Speaker:When he's got all the time to do
Speaker:this stuff the way he wants to,
Speaker:I'm assuming you get a movie like this,
Speaker:and when outside forces kick him around
Speaker:you get Saw VII.
Speaker:Yeah, exactly. I mean, literally, he
Speaker:just didn't even try
Speaker:with Saw VII. And I think we know why
Speaker:he didn't try with Saw VII.
Speaker:That's the thing that still bothers me.
Speaker:I haven't been able to figure out how they drew him back in.
Speaker:Because after that treatment, as soon as my contract
Speaker:is done, I've probably been like, nah, fuck you guys.
Speaker:I don't know if it's just,
Speaker:you know, well-paying work.
Speaker:That's why the producers had to have just not had the same
Speaker:level of power. And the fact that
Speaker:this was like, hey, you know how you didn't have time
Speaker:or money at all to
Speaker:make something on the last ones
Speaker:you directed? Here's
Speaker:actually making a movie.
Speaker:You get to actually make a movie this time.
Speaker:But he's not even back for
Speaker:Spiral and
Speaker:Jigsaw. Like, Spiral,
Speaker:they didn't think he was going to be back at all because
Speaker:of scheduling conflicts, but they got him towards the end
Speaker:of the movie to help with the edit. And I think he was going to be back.
Speaker:He was also an executive producer.
Speaker:And then Jigsaw, they got him back for
Speaker:that as well, I think. Like, he's
Speaker:pretty much gotten a part in
Speaker:all of the movies. So it's just
Speaker:surprising to me, after the treatment of him
Speaker:on Seven, you'd almost think he'd be gone, but
Speaker:he's right back in the fold.
Speaker:I would love to know more about that, but I
Speaker:suppose it's too much gossip stuff to ever come out to the
Speaker:public.
Speaker:I don't know. I'm too bitter. If it were me, I would have
Speaker:just told Lionsgate to fuck off forever, and I never would have
Speaker:been another Saw.
Speaker:I'm making my own horror
Speaker:franchise.
Speaker:Well, you did try. I mean, there's
Speaker:Jackals, Jezebel, whatever the other one
Speaker:was, Visions.
Speaker:I've only seen
Speaker:Jackals, which I
Speaker:didn't love,
Speaker:to be honest.
Speaker:He at least went out and cut his teeth as a filmmaker
Speaker:more. Yeah.
Speaker:He's worked on other stuff, too.
Speaker:Like, he's got a couple different credits
Speaker:in Barbarian.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So I don't know what level. I think he
Speaker:consulted on some of the ideas for that. I think he
Speaker:worked on some of the editing for that.
Speaker:So he's definitely been around in other
Speaker:movies and pictures. It's not like
Speaker:he can only find work in Saw.
Speaker:I do wonder
Speaker:at least as far
Speaker:as this project goes, if the script
Speaker:played some part in that.
Speaker:I know it would excite me
Speaker:just looking at stuff like this on
Speaker:the page and going, oh, well,
Speaker:there will be sequences in this movie.
Speaker:I don't think
Speaker:we've seen actual
Speaker:cat and mouse in a Saw movie
Speaker:since, what, the first one?
Speaker:It's kind of been a while.
Speaker:They've tried doing some stuff where
Speaker:they're outside, too, which
Speaker:hasn't amounted to much, and it works
Speaker:much better here than
Speaker:in something like Jigsaw.
Speaker:Speaking of Giallo, this
Speaker:fucking sequence is Giallo as fuck.
Speaker:I love
Speaker:the inside baseball when they're talking about the filming of that
Speaker:last little segment where, you know,
Speaker:the pig head walks past the glass
Speaker:and
Speaker:Johnny Smith really wanted
Speaker:to do that scene herself, and they couldn't let her
Speaker:because apparently that ledge the person was
Speaker:walking on was, like, four inches wide.
Speaker:It's like, no, we really can't afford
Speaker:to have one of our lead actresses, like, accidentally
Speaker:fall off a building or, like, through glass.
Speaker:We'll just have a stunt person do it. You're going to be wearing a mask,
Speaker:so no one will know anyways.
Speaker:I love the pure Giallo,
Speaker:like, absurdity of Amanda on the roof.
Speaker:So good.
Speaker:And just, it's just so
Speaker:fun. Amanda's on the roof.
Speaker:Also, apparently,
Speaker:Cecilia looking out.
Speaker:The window there was the most
Speaker:complicated shot in the entire
Speaker:movie, to the point where the DVD
Speaker:has a John Madden,
Speaker:like, arrow
Speaker:on the screen breakdown
Speaker:of how they filmed that without
Speaker:catching the camera and the reflection.
Speaker:Because sometimes
Speaker:basic filmmaking is the hardest
Speaker:thing in the world.
Speaker:Yeah, it's very convenient for us as critics. We can sit back
Speaker:and just judge the product on screen without thinking
Speaker:of how goddamn hard it is not to catch
Speaker:a camera and a reflection.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Like, there have been so many movies where
Speaker:you wouldn't even think about it, but it was a nightmare
Speaker:to film because everything was
Speaker:reflective. All the set design was designed to be
Speaker:reflective. We've seen that
Speaker:shot in Hook.
Speaker:Or I'm thinking, like, 13 Ghosts
Speaker:where they were talking about what a huge pain in the ass
Speaker:that movie was, because everything was basically made out of glass.
Speaker:So you're just catching
Speaker:reflections on literally every surface
Speaker:and everything gets smudged, so you can't have, like,
Speaker:your cast and crew walking around that place or it looks
Speaker:dirty.
Speaker:A couple things here.
Speaker:Quick succession. Smallest point to get
Speaker:through. One, I hate these pig masks.
Speaker:They just don't quite have the
Speaker:same quality. I've already bitched about this in other commentaries.
Speaker:Apparently, the original
Speaker:Don Post
Speaker:masks have gone out of production
Speaker:and some reason the
Speaker:Jigsaw production company just doesn't own, like,
Speaker:fucking 90 of these masks in a warehouse somewhere.
Speaker:It doesn't look like John bought
Speaker:a Jigsaw pig
Speaker:mask from a store.
Speaker:Yeah, so these are kind of reschooled ones.
Speaker:Yeah, they're just not as good.
Speaker:It doesn't impact anything at all.
Speaker:In fact, it's still kind of funny that they're wearing the pig
Speaker:mask for no reason, but it, I guess, fits in
Speaker:with the Jallo idea. Like, it visually
Speaker:is a good cue. It helps Amanda get psyched
Speaker:up. Yeah.
Speaker:Two, it's great that we have
Speaker:Amanda back. I absolutely love that we can
Speaker:have the interplay between her and John, because I think
Speaker:that adds so much to any movie when
Speaker:you have those two working with each other.
Speaker:But three,
Speaker:if this movie had a larger budget, you have to
Speaker:imagine they would have done a little bit of CGI
Speaker:de-aging, right? Oh, yeah.
Speaker:Yeah, it's
Speaker:weird. I'm weirdly
Speaker:not bothered by
Speaker:Tobin. Well, he's
Speaker:supposed to be, like, cancer-stricken and dying, so you
Speaker:can just kind of go, eh, alright, it makes sense he looks
Speaker:older. And he's also, like, looked old since, I don't know,
Speaker:the 90s.
Speaker:But, yeah, I mean,
Speaker:Johnny Smith, luckily, is
Speaker:like, aged very gracefully,
Speaker:but is obviously,
Speaker:like, 15 years older.
Speaker:It's not 2001.
Speaker:Right, the fact that this is supposed to be firmly,
Speaker:you know, like, Saw 1.5
Speaker:territory, if you were to watch these
Speaker:in chronological order, like, at a
Speaker:party, you'd be very taken aback
Speaker:when all of a sudden it's like, wait,
Speaker:this is supposed to be the next one? And the wig's
Speaker:rough. It's rough. It's real
Speaker:rough. The wig was
Speaker:real bad.
Speaker:I think her body language
Speaker:is all pretty much exactly the same. It's just
Speaker:the wig and... Yeah.
Speaker:You just kind of have to accept that she
Speaker:looks noticeably much older.
Speaker:You're right. And it's one of those deals where,
Speaker:if you didn't have the idea this was supposed
Speaker:to be young Amanda,
Speaker:it wouldn't matter in the slightest.
Speaker:But if you're a nitpicky nerd, then it's gonna be
Speaker:frustrating. It's really, and it's really
Speaker:weird. Arguably,
Speaker:Shawnee Smith looked exactly the same
Speaker:until,
Speaker:I don't know, like, seven years ago.
Speaker:So it's like,
Speaker:if you just made this, like, five
Speaker:years earlier, it would have been
Speaker:perfectly fine. Well, I mean, the Saw series
Speaker:has been pretty bad at making people look young.
Speaker:Like, just think of the last movie.
Speaker:Why with Tobin Bell? Samuel L. Jackson,
Speaker:make him look young, they just kind of slapped a mustache on him.
Speaker:Or Tobin Bell, they just, like, made him wear a hoodie
Speaker:and a hat. I don't
Speaker:think they're very good at flashback aging folks.
Speaker:I don't think they have necessarily the money for it,
Speaker:and they're just trusting that the audience is gonna get over it.
Speaker:It
Speaker:definitely helps that
Speaker:you're essentially
Speaker:watching what amounts to
Speaker:a full-budget
Speaker:Saw fan film
Speaker:in what it's going for.
Speaker:I mean, I'm way more
Speaker:forgiving of goofy shit
Speaker:like that than I would in a different production.
Speaker:I want to get back
Speaker:to the idea of fan film in a minute,
Speaker:so don't let me forget. But before we get to that,
Speaker:I have a fun fact, not-so-fun fact, about
Speaker:Pee-Wee's Playhouse, tied to the
Speaker:de-aging. I learned recently
Speaker:that, you know, there was the Pee-Wee movie for
Speaker:Netflix, and apparently
Speaker:it did fairly well, ratings-wise. And the
Speaker:reason we never got a follow-up was
Speaker:it was too expensive to keep
Speaker:CGI-ing Pee-Wee Herman to be a younger-looking,
Speaker:man.
Speaker:Because Paul Reubens insisted Pee-Wee Herman
Speaker:should not look old. We should
Speaker:make him kind of young, that's part of his character.
Speaker:So they spent a lot of money on
Speaker:de-aging technology to smooth him out
Speaker:for his Netflix special.
Speaker:And that was part of the reason why they
Speaker:said, well, you did good, but you didn't draw
Speaker:enough viewers to justify the expense of
Speaker:de-aging you for another movie.
Speaker:And Paul Reubens didn't want to do one if they made Pee-Wee
Speaker:look old. I honestly
Speaker:did not notice that at all.
Speaker:I feel like he didn't
Speaker:look old enough when you could just do it in
Speaker:makeup. You would think,
Speaker:but apparently that was the route and
Speaker:one of the arguing points he kind of got stuck on.
Speaker:So, who would have guessed?
Speaker:He just looked like
Speaker:old Paul Reubens. It didn't work.
Speaker:Just think, if they'd
Speaker:only waited another 20 years, we could have had an immortal
Speaker:CGI hologram of Pee-Wee Herman. They could have
Speaker:just pumped them out for decades.
Speaker:God, that's a bad wig.
Speaker:I wonder how much
Speaker:not noticeable
Speaker:the age difference would be
Speaker:if the wig was good.
Speaker:I think if the wig was good, this would be fine.
Speaker:I think you would just kind of ignore everything else.
Speaker:It's not like she looks
Speaker:200 years old or has a huge amount
Speaker:of plastic surgery and leaves a totally different
Speaker:face.
Speaker:She's not Mickey Rourke.
Speaker:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker:I do want to point out that they have
Speaker:kept Amanda pushing carts around.
Speaker:Which is apparently her favorite thing
Speaker:in the world to do.
Speaker:That's her thing. It takes the edge off.
Speaker:We should also mention that
Speaker:surprise, surprise, I saw a film had a hard time
Speaker:with the MPAA.
Speaker:This scene apparently gave them a lot
Speaker:of trouble because towards the end of the leg
Speaker:amputation, you see the top of the
Speaker:leg, the flesh kind of bulging up
Speaker:with the saw as she struggles to cut through
Speaker:the final strip after the leg is already
Speaker:basically severed.
Speaker:They didn't like that. They apparently had a hard time
Speaker:getting that specific thing through.
Speaker:So random.
Speaker:Everything else is fine.
Speaker:I mean, they had to make edits
Speaker:to a lot of other spots, you know, to get the traps down
Speaker:and all that, but it's funny when
Speaker:they pick very specific things like
Speaker:that detail is too much. That's in my
Speaker:nightmares. Oh, we got a John explosion.
Speaker:A rarity.
Speaker:That's always nice when he does those
Speaker:little pops. We lose control.
Speaker:I really wish he had the soul patch.
Speaker:Could you imagine that if he's bald and just had the soul
Speaker:patch and he's wearing the red robe the entire time?
Speaker:So this
Speaker:is something that I find interesting here
Speaker:because in the deleted scenes, they really expand
Speaker:on Peterson
Speaker:trying to hoodwink
Speaker:John again saying, well, my dad actually could
Speaker:do the cure. I couldn't
Speaker:hear or your case was different, but
Speaker:if we went to him, he could fix you
Speaker:in this movie. They like bring up
Speaker:just for this one line and they basically call
Speaker:her a liar and bring up all the dead people that she
Speaker:didn't cure. The deleted scenes
Speaker:really keep hammering this and they get into a
Speaker:deeper philosophical discussion about moral high
Speaker:grounds. She doesn't let the idea go
Speaker:that there's actually a cure out there if
Speaker:John would help her out.
Speaker:Which is weird because I'm
Speaker:like, is that necessary? Is that
Speaker:supposed to be like
Speaker:leftover thread for a deeper idea
Speaker:you could follow in a sequel?
Speaker:Or what was the purpose of that?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Well, it's an entire
Speaker:thing with Cecilia's character
Speaker:that's left on the cutting room floor.
Speaker:The fact that she's motivated
Speaker:out of wanting to shame her
Speaker:father
Speaker:who, for all
Speaker:intents and purposes, seems to be a
Speaker:genius, but
Speaker:because he was a bad father
Speaker:she wants to pervert
Speaker:what he did, which again, that's
Speaker:so fat. I'm so frustrated
Speaker:that's not in the movie because that makes
Speaker:her such a fascinating foil for
Speaker:John, where
Speaker:ultimately it's not even
Speaker:about the fortune she's making.
Speaker:It's a very petty
Speaker:psychological reason.
Speaker:Well,
Speaker:I have a feeling she'll be back in Saw 11
Speaker:so maybe that's something they can explore in that one.
Speaker:I think they've kind of hinted around at that
Speaker:anyway. Yeah. She does survive
Speaker:in a weird deleted scene that
Speaker:I guess was supposed to be the original
Speaker:after credits scene before
Speaker:we got big Papa Hoff coming back.
Speaker:They do still have Amanda
Speaker:going like, so what if
Speaker:she's telling the truth though?
Speaker:Which is interesting.
Speaker:I think they wanted to play with that.
Speaker:Is John being so steadfastly
Speaker:jigsaw and
Speaker:so angry that he is
Speaker:giving up something
Speaker:that could theoretically
Speaker:help him?
Speaker:Especially because at this point we still don't know if the
Speaker:guy who told him about the treatment was lying
Speaker:or not.
Speaker:They're setting up an alternate
Speaker:universe where Jigsaw actually is cured and then
Speaker:they just keep making Saw movies for as long
Speaker:as Tobin Bell wants to make them.
Speaker:Wouldn't that
Speaker:be fucking wild if they just kind of pulled like a
Speaker:Halloween 2018 and they just retconned
Speaker:everything after Saw 1 and they
Speaker:didn't tell us until Saw 11?
Speaker:Oh, it's the ultimate plot
Speaker:twist.
Speaker:I mean, I think if you announce that
Speaker:literally, oh, we're just doing a different timeline
Speaker:the fans would go, oh.
Speaker:Alright, cool.
Speaker:I don't.
Speaker:I don't even think there'd be pushback.
Speaker:I think they'd just be along for the ride as long as you're open
Speaker:about it and you didn't try and do some weird twist like
Speaker:well, John snuck off and got cured
Speaker:and his evil brother was the one
Speaker:on the autopsy table.
Speaker:Absolutely no Hoffman in this universe.
Speaker:Well, we've
Speaker:already seen him in this one, so I think we're stuck with
Speaker:this Hoffman. I hate that
Speaker:I popped for Hoffman.
Speaker:I know. The moment John
Speaker:referenced his detective
Speaker:friend.
Speaker:Jigsaw's
Speaker:network of agents.
Speaker:They somehow gave Hoffman
Speaker:like three different cameos, like
Speaker:levels of cameos.
Speaker:It's like
Speaker:Apocalypse Now.
Speaker:Like they just keep hinting at more and more of them
Speaker:until you finally see him in the end.
Speaker:It makes me at least
Speaker:want like, okay, can we
Speaker:do a movie where it's John, Amanda
Speaker:and Hoffman to make Hoffman work?
Speaker:It was so great actually getting a John and Amanda
Speaker:movie here. It adds so much
Speaker:to the movies that are already
Speaker:made, two and three.
Speaker:So I
Speaker:think this might be
Speaker:like as simple as it is
Speaker:the gnarliest
Speaker:trap in this entire
Speaker:franchise. This is some terrifier
Speaker:shit to me. Oh, yeah.
Speaker:I mean, you have to be
Speaker:so active during it.
Speaker:Like there's so much you have to tie a
Speaker:tourniquet. You're on a timer. One
Speaker:most of us don't know how to tie a tourniquet
Speaker:if we had like YouTube in front of us, let alone
Speaker:just figure it out on the fly. Two
Speaker:you have to saw your leg off. Then you have
Speaker:to figure out how this this fucking needle works
Speaker:to suck the marrow out.
Speaker:It's it's a lot. John's
Speaker:asking a lot. He really wants this person to die.
Speaker:There's other saw traps where it literally comes down to
Speaker:like, hey man, if you just cut
Speaker:your leg off and shoot a guy, you're done. Like
Speaker:you're okay. This one like
Speaker:I fucking got a like a nine
Speaker:step program. I got to go through
Speaker:and then there's
Speaker:something and you
Speaker:talked a couple of commentaries ago about
Speaker:how much
Speaker:is lost whenever you
Speaker:don't let the traps
Speaker:have any kind of mounting
Speaker:tension. The fact that this movie
Speaker:has enough air in it for us
Speaker:to basically get like 10
Speaker:15 minutes of build up
Speaker:to this. And then once
Speaker:you get to the scene, it delivers.
Speaker:Well, I think the
Speaker:original cut of the movie. They said this this first
Speaker:trap was supposed to be like a seven minute long thing
Speaker:even though it's time for like three minutes
Speaker:just to show you how much extra stuff
Speaker:they're going to do into the lead up and like the
Speaker:tension and the in between bits and
Speaker:that we just saw the skin flap
Speaker:but they didn't like that. Like the actual
Speaker:Garrett garotting is so
Speaker:short compared
Speaker:to the build up because of
Speaker:all of those steps along the
Speaker:way.
Speaker:It
Speaker:goes back to what
Speaker:made, you know, the first saw
Speaker:traps in the original so terrifying
Speaker:like it's
Speaker:it's not about, you know,
Speaker:the
Speaker:Rube Goldberg contraptions.
Speaker:It's not about
Speaker:like a hyper
Speaker:specific gore. It's just about
Speaker:the simplicity of what
Speaker:would you do if you were in this
Speaker:situation and you had to do the
Speaker:worst thing in the world to yourself to
Speaker:survive?
Speaker:Yeah, that always works more for me because
Speaker:everyone can understand on a visceral level when it's
Speaker:one of those where okay, we have to sit down and
Speaker:do a brain teaser to survive this puzzle
Speaker:and then we realize 20 minutes later. We did
Speaker:the puzzle wrong.
Speaker:Those kind of bum me out. I love
Speaker:this because they couldn't find a way
Speaker:to get that level to drop
Speaker:evenly. So that is the director
Speaker:behind the scenes physically moving
Speaker:the lever down trying to be as steady as possible
Speaker:because that was the easiest
Speaker:solution. It's like a Jurassic Park when you find out they're
Speaker:just plucking a guitar string underneath the water.
Speaker:Glass.
Speaker:This is one of the other things just due to
Speaker:dramatic styling.
Speaker:You always have to make it close. You always got to make it look
Speaker:like they're, oh, if they had five more seconds, they
Speaker:could have done it.
Speaker:But it just feels cheap at
Speaker:that point because like
Speaker:the movie dictates I have to get close, but they'll never
Speaker:make it. So it removes some of the
Speaker:fun for me when no one gets through their
Speaker:goddamn traps. Yeah, it's
Speaker:one of those.
Speaker:The bomb always gets
Speaker:deactivated at once.
Speaker:Second kind of deals like, yeah, it's
Speaker:like there's no real good
Speaker:way to do it. Unfortunately,
Speaker:like you remove all the tension if she's like,
Speaker:yeah, didn't even get close
Speaker:like she was fucking spent three minutes just sitting there
Speaker:crying like that's just sad for us. Like the
Speaker:amount of times I've I've been
Speaker:watching like a movie like this and trying
Speaker:to think up like
Speaker:narrative ways to do
Speaker:sequences like that differently
Speaker:to avoid the cliche
Speaker:and there's just no good way
Speaker:to do it. You just have to
Speaker:it sucks though. It sucks that you have
Speaker:to eat. There's only like one
Speaker:normal way to do it. I
Speaker:think they had the right idea with
Speaker:was it three
Speaker:where the judge survives his trap like
Speaker:they get him out of the pig drowning situation
Speaker:and then they kill him later in a different trap
Speaker:like they kind of got to have their cake
Speaker:and eat it too because he gets a really gross trap
Speaker:that gets that reaction from the audience
Speaker:and they've almost a couple times.
Speaker:Yeah, but I think the traps
Speaker:work best when you can sprinkle more of that in and you
Speaker:just know it's not gonna be out dead dead dead
Speaker:dead. Some of the
Speaker:saw films really work out like each room
Speaker:one person dies and becomes too formulaic.
Speaker:So an idea
Speaker:I want to get back to before I forget about it again.
Speaker:Jamie, you mentioned this is basically
Speaker:saw the fan film and
Speaker:I wouldn't disagree
Speaker:with that, but also
Speaker:in in the media escape we have
Speaker:now where callbacks
Speaker:are always needed or there needs to be some deep
Speaker:lore for the huge true fans
Speaker:and always feels like the filmmakers'
Speaker:are pandering to an audience.
Speaker:This one is loaded with
Speaker:past characters, little references
Speaker:and nods to the previous films, but I never
Speaker:got that hit over the head sense
Speaker:that this is just fan service in the movie.
Speaker:And I think a lot of it is because they allow
Speaker:us to spend so much time with these characters.
Speaker:It doesn't feel like lip service. It feels
Speaker:like, no, they're back. We know you love
Speaker:them. We're going to give you the reason why you love
Speaker:them. The underlying cause, not just
Speaker:the superficial, look, it's
Speaker:everyone's favorite apprentice. You know her,
Speaker:moving on. You get to see
Speaker:Amanda doing Amanda things for an extended
Speaker:time, which is
Speaker:really what the audience wants. They don't want to
Speaker:just see a lip service paid to a character.
Speaker:And this movie gets that
Speaker:idea. You really actually have to delve
Speaker:into these things. And
Speaker:fuck, no one really gets that. Even something like
Speaker:Ghostbusters has repeatedly
Speaker:tried to revive the magic of one and they never
Speaker:really quite figured out what that was.
Speaker:This is obviously
Speaker:a very different movie than Saw, but I
Speaker:think it hits on so many of the things the fans
Speaker:came to love about the series over the years
Speaker:that it doesn't feel
Speaker:like a legacy sequel.
Speaker:It doesn't feel like
Speaker:a remake in disguise.
Speaker:It feels like an honest-to-God entry
Speaker:of what everyone wanted.
Speaker:I'm reminded of
Speaker:when Joss Whedon was talking about
Speaker:doing Age of Ultron. He said,
Speaker:we're not going to go bigger, we're going to go deeper.
Speaker:And he didn't do that.
Speaker:But that applies here.
Speaker:Now, to
Speaker:defend Age of Ultron, we got Vision, who
Speaker:is the best character in the entire
Speaker:MCU. That's true.
Speaker:I know
Speaker:people don't like Age of Ultron
Speaker:and I'm not going to sit here and defend it as a great movie,
Speaker:but, boy,
Speaker:I really enjoy a lot of the scenes with
Speaker:Vision in that movie. Every scene with Vision
Speaker:is golden. It's the only thing that works.
Speaker:The little ending bit there was
Speaker:like, well, I was born yesterday.
Speaker:Great show. Great scene.
Speaker:There's a lot of good stuff in Age of Ultron.
Speaker:There are. It's broken, but
Speaker:alright, now we're getting to something here that's
Speaker:fascinating. Yes. Something John didn't
Speaker:quite anticipate, and it's the characters
Speaker:being more brutal than he
Speaker:is. And the ingenuity
Speaker:of, if I was in a saw trap, how would I get out?
Speaker:And when you're sitting around in a room with your friends drunk
Speaker:and you say something like, oh, we'd make a rope with intestines!
Speaker:That character actually did it.
Speaker:So it's great about having her
Speaker:kind of be the intellectual
Speaker:equal to Jigsaw.
Speaker:Even though he still
Speaker:does kind of anticipate she's going to
Speaker:try something like this. Yeah.
Speaker:He's not totally... Just not to like, this
Speaker:to preach. Yeah. I would
Speaker:have killed to have been in a
Speaker:packed theater for We Have a Rope.
Speaker:Also, God,
Speaker:in... After
Speaker:eight movies of
Speaker:dumbass
Speaker:saw victims,
Speaker:it's really nice
Speaker:to see someone...
Speaker:you know, using the
Speaker:environment again.
Speaker:Again, for the first time since
Speaker:the first movie, which might as well
Speaker:be the tagline for this commentary.
Speaker:Two
Speaker:things about this. One, another comment
Speaker:back to
Speaker:my bitching about Spiral. Just...
Speaker:We had a moment kind of like this,
Speaker:but it felt lazier when Chris Rock gets out of his
Speaker:trap because it doesn't feel, like, as inspired.
Speaker:This is great! Like, it's a character
Speaker:scheming their way out of the situation.
Speaker:Two, I swear,
Speaker:I'm gonna quit bitching about Spiral. We move past.
Speaker:Two,
Speaker:I love in the commentary, they mentioned that
Speaker:the fake intestines they had, they thought
Speaker:they were gonna take all day to throw these things around
Speaker:the cart. They did that twice, and both
Speaker:times, the rope worked perfectly. Like, just
Speaker:wrapped around the tires, and they couldn't believe
Speaker:their luck. It was like in fucking Hannibal
Speaker:where they threw the potato up in the air, and it
Speaker:perfectly got stabbed on the knife the first time
Speaker:Mads tried it, instead of, like, having to bring in, like, a professional
Speaker:juggler.
Speaker:Gore finds a way.
Speaker:I'd like to know what they make
Speaker:fake intestines out of. Like, what's the material
Speaker:there? Don't they just
Speaker:use, uh, like, pig
Speaker:tripe or something?
Speaker:Isn't that fresh?
Speaker:Sometimes?
Speaker:You know, in movies like The Thing, they'll use actual
Speaker:animal intestines. The problem there
Speaker:is, boy, is it gross, and it gets
Speaker:smelly. Um, especially
Speaker:under hot studio lights. So I feel
Speaker:like if you're trying to do stunt stuff, they
Speaker:might have something different, like
Speaker:an actual prop.
Speaker:That would be a prop. Yeah. I don't
Speaker:think they'd use actual real guts for that
Speaker:either. It's probably less common these days, too,
Speaker:because I feel like you do have to get, like, a, you know,
Speaker:no animals were harmed in the making
Speaker:of this film thing, and I don't know if they count, like,
Speaker:buying intestines.
Speaker:Also, just to offset Cody
Speaker:shitting on Spiral, I just wanted
Speaker:to restate for the record, I love Spiral.
Speaker:Took a number two with his rifle, yeah?
Speaker:Also, once
Speaker:again,
Speaker:Tony Smith is having so much goddamn fun.
Speaker:I never expected her to get this much
Speaker:screen time. I thought she was a cameo.
Speaker:I was shocked we were getting a full
Speaker:Manda and John movie. When they announced she was
Speaker:coming back, it was really like, oh, cool, so she'll get, like,
Speaker:a scene, and then she'll be out of the movie, just to make the fans
Speaker:happy. So it really blows
Speaker:my mind. She's, like, co-lead after that first,
Speaker:like, 45 minutes.
Speaker:Also, a nice
Speaker:thing here, we're moving through
Speaker:our traps. We've got one person
Speaker:dead. There's not a ton
Speaker:of people in this room, but they're taking
Speaker:their time. It's not like, oh, trap, someone's dead,
Speaker:five minutes later, oh, another trap, someone's dead.
Speaker:They're kind of letting these things play out.
Speaker:They're letting scenes develop in between.
Speaker:There's plot
Speaker:happenings beyond just trap,
Speaker:trap, trap.
Speaker:It's very nice. It feels
Speaker:like a movie. Measured.
Speaker:Like, it's not breakneck pacing,
Speaker:which is something weird to say
Speaker:about a Saw film where, like, oh, thank God
Speaker:they're slowing down. But we've
Speaker:had enough of them moving too fast for their own
Speaker:good. It's good they can have some... They got too fast, yeah.
Speaker:Yeah. How much the last, like,
Speaker:five have been too fast.
Speaker:No, the dummy!
Speaker:So unnecessary to use a real head.
Speaker:No, Logan was in there.
Speaker:Right, that's just, that's extra.
Speaker:Everyone in this movie's just so
Speaker:extra.
Speaker:The way this film
Speaker:is structured reminds me just kind of of
Speaker:a
Speaker:more foreign film.
Speaker:Like, more European, maybe
Speaker:British or something.
Speaker:But
Speaker:it feels more like
Speaker:something you'd see on the indie scene in another
Speaker:country than, like, a big movie
Speaker:here, which is cool.
Speaker:I mean, to me, it's a revenge film.
Speaker:So it's basically, I spit on your grave.
Speaker:Well, maybe
Speaker:a little classier than I spit on your grave. But, you know,
Speaker:that idea.
Speaker:I'd say, going back
Speaker:to its origin
Speaker:point,
Speaker:this feels very much like
Speaker:a French New Extremity movie.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Almost, like, similar to something like Martyrs.
Speaker:Those movies that
Speaker:are based
Speaker:more around the threat
Speaker:of a horrible thing happening
Speaker:and the tension and
Speaker:conversations around that situation
Speaker:rather than the actual acts themselves.
Speaker:I might
Speaker:be not too far off to say that, considering
Speaker:we have things like High Tension, where, you know,
Speaker:a major twist is kind of baked in.
Speaker:To the DNA of the film.
Speaker:This is definitely...
Speaker:It doesn't have the same impact,
Speaker:maybe, as John getting up from the floor of Saw 1,
Speaker:but it's a very twisty film.
Speaker:Like, they get you with a couple different ones in here.
Speaker:One, we get John Hoogdwinked, which is one the audience
Speaker:knows about ahead of time due to marketing and...
Speaker:Well, one, it'd be weird if he was
Speaker:cured of cancer in this movie and then had it again later.
Speaker:God!
Speaker:That's why John got crueler.
Speaker:He just went into remission. He's like,
Speaker:well, back to the killing.
Speaker:Oh, no!
Speaker:I turned on the...
Speaker:I turned on the microwave
Speaker:while it was plugged into the wrong outlet,
Speaker:and now I have radiation sickness.
Speaker:God damn it!
Speaker:John gets cancer a different time every movie.
Speaker:But we kind of have building twists here, right?
Speaker:Like, this character turns out he's in cahoots
Speaker:with the evil doctor,
Speaker:and then they turn the table on John,
Speaker:but it turns out John planned for this,
Speaker:so he turns the tables back on them!
Speaker:And there's kind of that back and forth twisting.
Speaker:It's...
Speaker:It works better, because at this point,
Speaker:we know in a Saw movie,
Speaker:there's going to be one big twist at the end.
Speaker:So having that offset by a series of smaller twists
Speaker:throughout the movies,
Speaker:I think holds the spirit of the franchise in place
Speaker:without giving the same formula
Speaker:we've kind of gotten tired of.
Speaker:It's not a twist movie.
Speaker:The twists throughout it are plot happenings
Speaker:more than, like, big twists.
Speaker:The closest you can get to a big twist is...
Speaker:Carlos.
Speaker:Like, something John didn't anticipate.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Coming into play, but...
Speaker:Other than that,
Speaker:I'm kind of bummed that
Speaker:we do learn that John knows, like,
Speaker:this dude's real story.
Speaker:Because I just love how aggressively, like,
Speaker:bullshitty he was.
Speaker:Like, oh no, it's only okay for me
Speaker:to try to beat cancer.
Speaker:You shouldn't try.
Speaker:Oh, but guns are my favorite.
Speaker:Going to the Carlos thing.
Speaker:Obviously, that'll pop up later,
Speaker:but it is kind of amazing.
Speaker:This is only, like, really the second time
Speaker:a child's been put in danger in Saw,
Speaker:and the first time it's been explicit.
Speaker:Because we had the...
Speaker:I forget the name of the child
Speaker:that was kidnapped and basically held in a safe
Speaker:in Saw 3.
Speaker:But she was never actually in danger.
Speaker:Not really, no.
Speaker:Yeah, it was always their plan to, like,
Speaker:release her and use her as part of the frame.
Speaker:It was only over Gordon's kid.
Speaker:That's true.
Speaker:Yeah, actually, I forgot about that.
Speaker:Because when they were talking about this movie,
Speaker:they were talking about how the producers
Speaker:had kind of drawn a line in the sand,
Speaker:saying, hey, we don't ever want to actively
Speaker:put a kid in a trap.
Speaker:And they had to be talked into it.
Speaker:Like, no, other movies have done it.
Speaker:I like that they used hereditary as an example.
Speaker:Like, hey, that one kid got her head cleaned off
Speaker:by a telephone pole.
Speaker:And the producer was like, well, you got us there.
Speaker:That movie did pretty well.
Speaker:That was a laugh, right?
Speaker:I always think back, like, it's weird
Speaker:that kids have been so taboo in horror,
Speaker:considering most audiences,
Speaker:for horror films are kids,
Speaker:are younger, you know, like maybe teenagers.
Speaker:And it would make more sense to put people
Speaker:of their own age into these traps
Speaker:because they're going to identify with that more.
Speaker:I think a lot of it is like people become parents
Speaker:and they don't want to imagine putting a kid,
Speaker:their kid in a trap.
Speaker:And they kind of go, no, no,
Speaker:that makes me feel uncomfortable.
Speaker:Let's not do it.
Speaker:Which is all the more reason to do it.
Speaker:Well, it's fascinating that that's a,
Speaker:that's a fear of a moral backlash
Speaker:that to my knowledge,
Speaker:has never actually happened.
Speaker:You look at all the moral panics over horror
Speaker:over the 20th century.
Speaker:None of them seem to be based around media
Speaker:depicting anything happening to kids explicitly.
Speaker:It's all just adult situations with adults.
Speaker:I think it's more preemptive though.
Speaker:I think people are afraid they're going to get hit by it.
Speaker:So studios just haven't allowed it to happen.
Speaker:It's just weird.
Speaker:That's a, that's a,
Speaker:that's a shoe that has never dropped
Speaker:in the history of horror.
Speaker:You have moral panics.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Like, uh,
Speaker:fuck, uh,
Speaker:Guillermo del Toro apparently had it.
Speaker:I'm sorry.
Speaker:It's Billy.
Speaker:Del Toro apparently had a hard time
Speaker:selling the script for mimic
Speaker:because that was a big part of it
Speaker:where like kids go down to the subway station,
Speaker:get murdered by the, uh,
Speaker:like the Judas insects.
Speaker:Oh God.
Speaker:Remember the relic,
Speaker:that movie that has a kid
Speaker:just straight up gobbled up hole.
Speaker:That was shocking at the time.
Speaker:Like that was not done.
Speaker:Rock and roll.
Speaker:Like Cody,
Speaker:like Cody said,
Speaker:a lot of it is on the creators
Speaker:usually have kids or around kids or something
Speaker:and then just feel uncomfortable doing it.
Speaker:So they kind of like,
Speaker:it reminds me like Scott Snyder was asked
Speaker:like why he never used Damien.
Speaker:And his thing was,
Speaker:he finally said,
Speaker:because my kids the same age as Damien.
Speaker:So having him be shot and punched
Speaker:is really uncomfortable for me.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Well,
Speaker:it's changing attitudes as directors get older too.
Speaker:You talk to Sam Raimi,
Speaker:now,
Speaker:and he basically tell you like,
Speaker:ah,
Speaker:I was kind of a dumb kid.
Speaker:So I would not have made a lot of the evil dead choices
Speaker:today that I made then.
Speaker:Like the tree rape or a lot of those kinds of things.
Speaker:It's like,
Speaker:nah,
Speaker:that was a,
Speaker:that was an edge master kind of thing as a kid.
Speaker:Now that I'm adult,
Speaker:I'm like,
Speaker:yeah,
Speaker:no,
Speaker:that was stupid.
Speaker:Shouldn't have done it.
Speaker:The tree rape was Tapper.
Speaker:That's not surprising.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:The checks.
Speaker:I still,
Speaker:my favorite is the commentary for army of darkness
Speaker:where they just have naked women and chains being led around
Speaker:by the skeletons.
Speaker:And Sam Raimi on the commentary goes,
Speaker:that was Tapper's idea.
Speaker:I don't,
Speaker:I don't really know why we did this,
Speaker:but he insisted.
Speaker:So we just did this.
Speaker:Love that.
Speaker:Like,
Speaker:of course,
Speaker:throw the guy under the bus tires immediately.
Speaker:That's like,
Speaker:what did they do with them?
Speaker:What did the,
Speaker:what did the skeletons do?
Speaker:I don't know,
Speaker:but they've all got boners.
Speaker:Oh,
Speaker:I set you up.
Speaker:You knocked them down.
Speaker:It's in the fucking commentary.
Speaker:I don't know.
Speaker:I'm still got it.
Speaker:Oh,
Speaker:made for intellectuals.
Speaker:We still got like 45 minutes.
Speaker:Uh,
Speaker:we got a vamp.
Speaker:That's why I was talking about mimic.
Speaker:I had to,
Speaker:I had to fill airtime.
Speaker:So yay.
Speaker:Brain surgery.
Speaker:Brain surgery.
Speaker:I like how retro,
Speaker:like so much of this film that happens in it retroactively make things that
Speaker:would happen to John later.
Speaker:Some like weird karmic irony,
Speaker:like him actually having brain surgery after being fake,
Speaker:having brain surgery.
Speaker:And then this,
Speaker:but he brings it on himself.
Speaker:Like he sets up,
Speaker:he knows he needs the brain surgery.
Speaker:So he arranges that whole trap,
Speaker:which has another little layer of irony to it.
Speaker:Also,
Speaker:it's probably,
Speaker:I haven't rewatched the movie since going through 10 again,
Speaker:but it's kind of a fun twist.
Speaker:If you know,
Speaker:John knows what it's like to have witnessed a man die during brain surgery.
Speaker:And he knows he has to go through it with a person doing it under duress.
Speaker:That's a neat wrinkle to his characters.
Speaker:It's like another fabric.
Speaker:He could enjoy rewatching three.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Obviously they didn't know that was the,
Speaker:the case.
Speaker:It's all retroactive,
Speaker:but you can put it in your head.
Speaker:It's cool how it works.
Speaker:I think whenever you're kind of doing stuff like this,
Speaker:trying to,
Speaker:you don't want to,
Speaker:it's one thing to go like,
Speaker:Hey,
Speaker:let's call back to something that,
Speaker:that would happen,
Speaker:that we know would happen in the future or whatever.
Speaker:Like that's easy when you kind of like in the DNA of this,
Speaker:like between sequel type thing,
Speaker:putting,
Speaker:putting,
Speaker:putting something in there that will,
Speaker:that can hearken back,
Speaker:that can kind of echo throughout the plots to come is to me way more
Speaker:rewarding.
Speaker:Like being able to go like do this.
Speaker:Now you've,
Speaker:you've built on something that already existed.
Speaker:It's wild that we have a textually rich saw sequel.
Speaker:So,
Speaker:one thing I was always a little confused about.
Speaker:There's a character twist with Dr.
Speaker:Peterson where she's very encouraging to all these guys during their traps.
Speaker:Like she's talking them through it.
Speaker:She's telling them like,
Speaker:Hey,
Speaker:get your shit together.
Speaker:You're not going to die like this.
Speaker:But then with like the next trap,
Speaker:she changes her tune and finishes off one of the survivors.
Speaker:And that's after she now is back in power.
Speaker:It's just,
Speaker:yeah,
Speaker:I guess that'd be a way to look at it,
Speaker:but it threw me off because it felt like the,
Speaker:the character motivation basically just turned on a dime and I didn't quite get
Speaker:it because right now she just wants people to survive for her own self-survival.
Speaker:I like the idea of an army of trap survivors overpowering jigsaw while bleeding
Speaker:to death.
Speaker:Well,
Speaker:we did get the,
Speaker:uh,
Speaker:saw support group in seven.
Speaker:We're a superhero team.
Speaker:Yeah,
Speaker:they didn't,
Speaker:they didn't,
Speaker:they didn't have the budget to show us all those survivors in like their true capacity.
Speaker:We got the one girl with a missing arm and the overall guys.
Speaker:This is great.
Speaker:Can I just say that?
Speaker:This is great.
Speaker:This was the trap that sold me on this movie.
Speaker:When I saw the trailer,
Speaker:like I was hopping up and down like a little kid watching Saturday morning cartoons.
Speaker:They're gonna make a surgeon operate on his own brain.
Speaker:It's,
Speaker:it's,
Speaker:it's,
Speaker:I mean,
Speaker:in the terms of complicated saw traps,
Speaker:I think this edges a little bit more towards it because you have a guy who has a mirror
Speaker:so he can watch his own surgery and then he's got to like fill the tank up.
Speaker:But this works a lot better for me than something say like the trap where they had to cut pieces
Speaker:of their bodies off to tip scales.
Speaker:It helps that there's escalation in the complexity of the traps.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Plus,
Speaker:I like when his brain comes out.
Speaker:It just looks real good.
Speaker:Fantastic.
Speaker:The balls,
Speaker:the balls of the Saul series to go,
Speaker:you know,
Speaker:we're going to do brain surgery scenes twice.
Speaker:Also,
Speaker:like,
Speaker:come on,
Speaker:man.
Speaker:Some of these people,
Speaker:their traps are like,
Speaker:I mean,
Speaker:we're going to suck your eyeballs out and you just have to break all your fingers.
Speaker:Otherwise,
Speaker:this one is,
Speaker:you have to literally pull out parts of your own brain.
Speaker:John,
Speaker:you're giving this man like permanent brain damage.
Speaker:He's missing parts of his thoughts.
Speaker:Oh,
Speaker:it's the perfect crime.
Speaker:He won't remember.
Speaker:That John's jigsaw afterwards.
Speaker:This for all we know,
Speaker:he might lose motor function after like the third piece of brain he pulls out.
Speaker:At least the other people are like,
Speaker:well,
Speaker:you lost a foot.
Speaker:That kind of stinks.
Speaker:And he's trying to make him nice.
Speaker:Plus,
Speaker:how overtop is this?
Speaker:Like,
Speaker:he has a deadly mask come onto his face and electrocute and fry and burn him.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:To death on top of like having parts of his brain removed.
Speaker:At least the other person got killed instantly through decapitation.
Speaker:This is a bit of an extra torture here.
Speaker:You know,
Speaker:part of me wanted it to open and then it should have been inside,
Speaker:but then also didn't want it to open because that's still kind of cool that they kept it behind the mask.
Speaker:It's a cool visual mind mask,
Speaker:but it still would have been fucking cool if I think open and they're just like a smoking burnt skull underneath.
Speaker:I would have liked it.
Speaker:So I'm curious with it with this subplot.
Speaker:Did you guys ever for a second to think that that dude was for real?
Speaker:Oh,
Speaker:no.
Speaker:Like with the neck thing,
Speaker:like because he mentioned having the surgery on his neck.
Speaker:And obviously he could have been scammed to the whole time,
Speaker:but it just felt like,
Speaker:I think he would be aware right away.
Speaker:Like if someone cut your neck open or not,
Speaker:or like did surgery on your neck.
Speaker:I didn't even bother to cut like Kramer open,
Speaker:right?
Speaker:They just kind of like pretend to shave his head and like knocked him out.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I'm good.
Speaker:I don't know if there's really a way to do that kind of twist in a way where the audience isn't going to see it coming.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Well,
Speaker:that's the really the problem with honestly,
Speaker:the assault movie in general is you're kind of looking at twists everywhere.
Speaker:You kind of make up twists in your head.
Speaker:Like after you do one movie with a major twist,
Speaker:you're fucked.
Speaker:Like,
Speaker:yeah,
Speaker:people are going to expect them.
Speaker:So they're going to be disappointed if you don't.
Speaker:And they're going to be looking for twists the entire time.
Speaker:So you either have to make your movie foolproof,
Speaker:which is impossible or just admit,
Speaker:okay,
Speaker:the audience is smarter than us.
Speaker:Let's just go for it with the one we have.
Speaker:And hopefully they buy into it enough at the end.
Speaker:This kind of works though,
Speaker:because even though the audience is in on the act,
Speaker:probably right away,
Speaker:like we're going to know it.
Speaker:There's still not sure if Jigsaw knows it.
Speaker:So it's the idea of Kramer kind of playing it up.
Speaker:Like he believes in this guy only for us to get the flashback later that he
Speaker:tampered with the bullets.
Speaker:So I think that's where the fun comes in.
Speaker:Plus you get to do some of like the hypocrite stuff with,
Speaker:with him,
Speaker:like lambasting him.
Speaker:So if you think the Jigsaw doesn't know,
Speaker:it's like it adds to John's character.
Speaker:I was seeing billion going.
Speaker:No,
Speaker:it's way funny.
Speaker:It was about before we get too far away from the scene.
Speaker:Uh,
Speaker:I am not too big to admit that a scene in a saw movie made me well up with
Speaker:tears.
Speaker:Was it the brain surgery?
Speaker:Yes,
Speaker:actually it was,
Speaker:it was Donnie Wahlberg,
Speaker:right?
Speaker:Oh,
Speaker:it was actually him.
Speaker:Uh,
Speaker:smashing his foot with that rock.
Speaker:Brutality finish them.
Speaker:This is,
Speaker:this is like the one.
Speaker:It seems like he actually wants her to get out of the trap.
Speaker:Like this is the one person he's like,
Speaker:it's also so needlessly cruel.
Speaker:Well,
Speaker:especially like all are,
Speaker:but this one especially is like uncomfortably cruel.
Speaker:Well,
Speaker:she gets through the first part of the trap and then he has to relocate the,
Speaker:the fucking radiation machine to realign with her.
Speaker:It's like,
Speaker:even look sad doing is like,
Speaker:John,
Speaker:you're making the rules,
Speaker:man.
Speaker:And she already has to like break her other limb,
Speaker:just to get out of this thing.
Speaker:And she's half burnt to death.
Speaker:It's,
Speaker:it's a weird mix.
Speaker:Cause it feels like he really does want her to get out,
Speaker:but he's like,
Speaker:I also really,
Speaker:really want to punish her first.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And you have Amanda more or less just actively campaigning for her,
Speaker:for her to just be released.
Speaker:Like,
Speaker:no,
Speaker:this isn't,
Speaker:this isn't right.
Speaker:Like Amanda,
Speaker:knowing how,
Speaker:what reality actually is.
Speaker:And John just like,
Speaker:no,
Speaker:everything's in black and white.
Speaker:Well,
Speaker:and with the John character,
Speaker:she's specifically the one he's coming back to give the bottle of booze to,
Speaker:and the nice card.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:She's like the most hospitable to him when he's in the hospital.
Speaker:So he forms that connection.
Speaker:And I think he feels the most betrayed by her,
Speaker:even though he realizes she had the least to do with his scam.
Speaker:So maybe that's his conflict there.
Speaker:Like he really wants to punish her because she should have,
Speaker:she should have been the nice person he thought he thought she was,
Speaker:but she didn't,
Speaker:cut him open.
Speaker:She didn't pretend to cut him open.
Speaker:She didn't sell him this scam.
Speaker:She didn't do all this other shit.
Speaker:Well,
Speaker:so I feel like he got that jacket on.
Speaker:Just do something with the jacket.
Speaker:Like just put it over your face while you're swinging the hammer.
Speaker:So ignoring the fact that she's hanging in the air and there's a fucking radiation gun point at her face.
Speaker:This I like it's very direct.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:You have a,
Speaker:you have to basically destroy your ankle and your arm to escape this trap.
Speaker:It's the only way.
Speaker:And it's not even specifically timed.
Speaker:You have forever theoretically until this thing burns you to death,
Speaker:which I like when there's not a clock on the wall.
Speaker:It's just really a matter of your own less clocks.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:It's just a matter of your own vitality.
Speaker:One kind of bummer here is because they're using this bright red light.
Speaker:It blares out most of the burn makeup that they have applied here.
Speaker:You get to see it better when she falls out of the light.
Speaker:And it's pretty gnarly,
Speaker:but it's a shame that that effect kind of gets,
Speaker:uh,
Speaker:hidden by the lighting.
Speaker:It would've been really awkward if she dropped the hammer.
Speaker:I was thinking that the whole time I watched the movie the first time,
Speaker:like I'm,
Speaker:I'm betting like she swings and just accidentally drops it somehow and just gets stuck there.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So there's really does feel like they looked at the opening of a saw three and thought to themselves,
Speaker:what if we base a trap out of how utterly disgusting that is to watch?
Speaker:Yeah,
Speaker:I guess when we say simple,
Speaker:this is what I mean.
Speaker:It's,
Speaker:it's just coming down to you get to watch a person's reaction and something gross happening.
Speaker:You're getting,
Speaker:you're getting like the misery reaction of a broken ankle.
Speaker:And you're not even showing every single hit.
Speaker:Most of them.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Most of the hits are not shown.
Speaker:It's just her reaction selling it.
Speaker:This fucking moment destroyed me.
Speaker:It's like,
Speaker:you kind of know it's coming,
Speaker:but God damn it.
Speaker:We didn't know we had a track.
Speaker:It's again,
Speaker:just the so much more needlessly cruel than,
Speaker:um,
Speaker:honestly,
Speaker:the other ones.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Kind of over the top.
Speaker:This is,
Speaker:there's something about the more simple it is,
Speaker:the more cruel it is.
Speaker:So which makes it feel more personal.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:This is just roasting somebody in front of a heat lamp.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And it feels more like you could survive something like this.
Speaker:So it's frustrating.
Speaker:A person doesn't know the other ones where you have to remove like bodily fluids by ripping off a limb and,
Speaker:and carefully weighing on a scale.
Speaker:It feels very,
Speaker:very technical.
Speaker:It's a lot of work.
Speaker:It's like,
Speaker:I probably wouldn't be able to do that.
Speaker:I wouldn't be able to open up my own brain and then drop it into a vat.
Speaker:This is moving parts.
Speaker:So I could,
Speaker:I could definitely smash my leg with a sledgehammer.
Speaker:I wouldn't be happy about it,
Speaker:but live or die.
Speaker:I could make that choice.
Speaker:There's so much you're going to read into the psychology of how the traps and this particular entry are staged.
Speaker:Like I do really get the impression from that one that ideally John would like for her to survive,
Speaker:but he wants to make sure that she suffers more physical pain before and after the trap than anyone else.
Speaker:Like he wants her to be in pain for the rest of her life,
Speaker:but still live.
Speaker:Well,
Speaker:you know,
Speaker:as soon as she solves a trap,
Speaker:he immediately tells Amanda,
Speaker:get her to a hospital.
Speaker:Like he,
Speaker:he doesn't wait at all.
Speaker:So the intention seems pure in that sense.
Speaker:Like he does not want this person to die despite setting up the trap.
Speaker:So she will die.
Speaker:John Kramer.
Speaker:He's just a weird guy.
Speaker:You know,
Speaker:very complicated.
Speaker:He's sticking like all of his moral code codes are codes.
Speaker:He.
Speaker:Our codes,
Speaker:he adheres to him himself to a psychotic degree,
Speaker:and it's almost to keep himself in check at a certain point.
Speaker:It's like Batman's no kill rule.
Speaker:Oh God,
Speaker:we're getting into the no kill rule,
Speaker:especially on today of all days,
Speaker:but Zack Snyder's like,
Speaker:maybe Batman should kill people all the time.
Speaker:Let's not date ourselves that much too late.
Speaker:But I,
Speaker:that,
Speaker:that is to me what makes John's.
Speaker:It's an interesting,
Speaker:like movie monster type is with his,
Speaker:his rules and his games.
Speaker:He kind of just wants to kill everybody and wants to watch them die.
Speaker:But he sets these things up to kind of separate himself,
Speaker:self and make himself holier than thou in the process.
Speaker:And also I would say probably to make it more interesting on top of everything
Speaker:else.
Speaker:I think a key component to his psychology is a very Hannibal Lecter,
Speaker:like curiosity to a curiosity for just how,
Speaker:uh,
Speaker:much you can bend to people before they break.
Speaker:Just what happens when you put people in the absolute worst possible situations.
Speaker:And here,
Speaker:classic,
Speaker:classic saw writing.
Speaker:Huh?
Speaker:We have the upper hand on this guy and could just kill him.
Speaker:Better put him in a trap.
Speaker:It always,
Speaker:it always has to be like,
Speaker:we've got to turn this around.
Speaker:We've got to,
Speaker:they punish you the same way you were going to punish us.
Speaker:And it's like,
Speaker:ah,
Speaker:guys,
Speaker:it's,
Speaker:it's John Kramer.
Speaker:Even though it's John Kramer,
Speaker:I would not do this.
Speaker:His whole thing is putting people in traps and getting out of them.
Speaker:I love how in the commentary,
Speaker:they full on call this their Adam West,
Speaker:Batman moment.
Speaker:Especially.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Cause they like leave the room while they're still in the trap.
Speaker:It's like,
Speaker:Oh no,
Speaker:they haven't seen a movie in their lives.
Speaker:That's why the,
Speaker:the after credit scene ends with a spiral to the camera.
Speaker:Johnny Smith getting to do or hear hidden talent of screaming in a song.
Speaker:Scream acting.
Speaker:Amanda's very visceral,
Speaker:emotional reaction to Gabrielle dying.
Speaker:Once again,
Speaker:it's the little things that add to already existing arcs that we're aware of.
Speaker:Well,
Speaker:we know Gabrielle is like the drug addict character.
Speaker:She's doing this because she needs drug money,
Speaker:which obviously is going to tie closely into Amanda,
Speaker:who is a drug addict in the earlier entries.
Speaker:So that's a nice time.
Speaker:And I'm glad,
Speaker:you know,
Speaker:folks that didn't watch the other saws,
Speaker:like if they,
Speaker:for some reason were dragged to 10 might not get that connection,
Speaker:but they would still know there was something there intrinsically just from
Speaker:the reaction.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It feels honest for the character,
Speaker:even if you don't have the whole lore.
Speaker:And I like that.
Speaker:And it,
Speaker:it feels like a missing piece that you weren't aware of in Amanda's overall
Speaker:arc where now you can watch that in succession of the,
Speaker:of the original three films and go,
Speaker:okay,
Speaker:this is Amanda before she has gone full killer and like completely devolved
Speaker:into just pure id.
Speaker:I'm sorry.
Speaker:We missed it.
Speaker:John went into power mode.
Speaker:I don't know why.
Speaker:It's a great,
Speaker:just raising his fist.
Speaker:Oh,
Speaker:John's going super saying,
Speaker:look out,
Speaker:reloading.
Speaker:He's raising his arms.
Speaker:Like he's Henry Cavill.
Speaker:He's raising his cheese.
Speaker:To be able to survive the blood punishment.
Speaker:Also,
Speaker:were you amused?
Speaker:They brought back jig fucking saw as a line,
Speaker:seemingly just so they could put it into a better movie.
Speaker:If it's good,
Speaker:it gets recycled.
Speaker:It's fine to go way back though.
Speaker:And this is just a me thing.
Speaker:Anytime they have the Billy puppet moving,
Speaker:it's,
Speaker:it's,
Speaker:it's very funny to me.
Speaker:Like I can't take it seriously.
Speaker:Like at least it's not like jigsaw where they put an action cam on him when he
Speaker:goes around the corner,
Speaker:but this one,
Speaker:we just have jigsaw coming down the,
Speaker:the kind of the hall and he's big enough where it almost looks like they just
Speaker:have an actor in there.
Speaker:Just I'm surprised they've never done that.
Speaker:He seems noticeably bigger this time around.
Speaker:So I,
Speaker:I know it's supposed to be spooky,
Speaker:scary,
Speaker:but inside my head the whole time,
Speaker:I'm just giggling like,
Speaker:Oh my God,
Speaker:they have a Billy puppet,
Speaker:man.
Speaker:I mean,
Speaker:I guess in some way it's supposed to be a little bit camp.
Speaker:Just,
Speaker:yeah,
Speaker:I'm sure it is to some degree.
Speaker:I just like more stationary one per way better.
Speaker:The version from two where the tricycle looks like it's on wires and it just
Speaker:kind of gets yanked over and it has like the cheap Halloween soundboard
Speaker:ghoul laugh when he moves the legs.
Speaker:But a TV Billy is always the best.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:When he's more stationary,
Speaker:that's,
Speaker:that's when I can buy him being creepy.
Speaker:Anytime he moves,
Speaker:the illusion is broken for me.
Speaker:Billy is supposed to be jigsaw whenever he appears on video.
Speaker:This fucking kid.
Speaker:Well,
Speaker:I'm time to play soccer at night again.
Speaker:This kid must be so goddamn bored.
Speaker:All he does is just kick that soccer ball to the exact same spot in the same
Speaker:building.
Speaker:Oh,
Speaker:he does that at area 51.
Speaker:Sometimes they'll leave a candy bar out there.
Speaker:This,
Speaker:uh,
Speaker:this kid actually grows up to be saber tooth.
Speaker:Also,
Speaker:Dr.
Speaker:Peterson going full arch at this point.
Speaker:We're like,
Speaker:well,
Speaker:we should also murder a child.
Speaker:I think that'll,
Speaker:that'll tie this up nicely.
Speaker:Like what?
Speaker:You can just kill this guy right now.
Speaker:You don't have to bring in a child.
Speaker:I like this character.
Speaker:I,
Speaker:I think this is the one thing that's dangerous to me because the movie dips a
Speaker:little into schmaltz with jigsaw being like,
Speaker:Carlos,
Speaker:you're a warrior.
Speaker:And the,
Speaker:the respect jigsaw has for this small boy,
Speaker:it gets,
Speaker:it gets a little too sappy sentimental for me.
Speaker:You said that about everything that gets sentimental though.
Speaker:That's true.
Speaker:I mean,
Speaker:everyone has different quotients for how much they can take,
Speaker:but in a soft film,
Speaker:I feel like you can't put much in before it feels very at odds with
Speaker:everything else in the movie.
Speaker:See,
Speaker:I would say that about any other entry,
Speaker:but I feel like I see,
Speaker:I love,
Speaker:how traditional this movie is in its schmaltziness and the way it handles
Speaker:emotion.
Speaker:It feels almost transgressive to me.
Speaker:Like John walks away from this movie with a ward and a girl on his arm.
Speaker:Like he's an action hero.
Speaker:Like he's,
Speaker:he's given the traditional Hollywood happy ending with all of these
Speaker:signifiers that come with it.
Speaker:And it's very,
Speaker:very wrong.
Speaker:And it's not how a saw movie should,
Speaker:should end.
Speaker:And it makes no sense narratively for where John's story is going
Speaker:immediately after this.
Speaker:And I think that's like the brilliance of it.
Speaker:It's,
Speaker:it's a middle finger to storytelling convention and it's perfect for a
Speaker:series.
Speaker:That's all about telling things out of order.
Speaker:And the,
Speaker:the truth,
Speaker:the truth that can be found from seeing things out of order.
Speaker:Like there's something,
Speaker:uh,
Speaker:wait a minute,
Speaker:you're just describing a memento.
Speaker:There's something kind of beautiful about taking a snapshot of a very
Speaker:tragic character and going,
Speaker:okay,
Speaker:if,
Speaker:if we stop paying attention to his story right here,
Speaker:it's happily ever after.
Speaker:And particularly doing that with a villain character,
Speaker:like it's,
Speaker:it's really interesting to me.
Speaker:You could have done one good thing.
Speaker:I think that is like this being like this weird bump in jigsaw story where
Speaker:he kind of did a positive thing inadvertently in the middle of this.
Speaker:And it's something that he didn't plan to do.
Speaker:Just kind of fascinating.
Speaker:Like he didn't expect Carlos to show up.
Speaker:This has nothing to do with anything,
Speaker:but then he ends up giving Carlos the money and,
Speaker:uh,
Speaker:so I just,
Speaker:this is the difference between jigsaw and myself.
Speaker:I sure.
Speaker:Maybe give Carlos some of the money,
Speaker:but I also would have been like,
Speaker:well,
Speaker:I have to deduct my,
Speaker:my expenses.
Speaker:I had to build a Billy puppet.
Speaker:I had to fly Amanda down.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I gave her like $150,000 of my own money in the down payment.
Speaker:Uh,
Speaker:I'm going to,
Speaker:I'm going to skim a little off the top and the kid,
Speaker:we can go halfsies.
Speaker:Maybe.
Speaker:Oh,
Speaker:jigsaw kept a finder's fee.
Speaker:I think it's only fair.
Speaker:I was in the situation.
Speaker:It's like,
Speaker:I'm not going to go to Mexico and lose money on this endeavor.
Speaker:You know,
Speaker:we we've talked a little bit over the commentaries about the debt that saw
Speaker:owes to the abominable Dr.
Speaker:Fibes films.
Speaker:And Mike,
Speaker:I'm curious if you agree,
Speaker:do you get extremely fives rises again?
Speaker:Vibes from the end of this movie?
Speaker:Oh,
Speaker:definitely.
Speaker:Like all it's missing is him singing somewhere over the,
Speaker:over the rainbow.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:I am surprised.
Speaker:No one making the film brought that up.
Speaker:Cause it feels intentional at times.
Speaker:Like it,
Speaker:it feels like a fives movie more than anything else.
Speaker:This feels like,
Speaker:um,
Speaker:fives rises again.
Speaker:This is extremely nine killed her nine shall pay.
Speaker:This just makes me sad though,
Speaker:that Tobin bill has not been used as a modern day Vincent price,
Speaker:like starting four different horror movies as like the veteran credible actor.
Speaker:To rise up this whole production.
Speaker:There was some movie I came across on to be the stars.
Speaker:Cause right now my Roku just gives me Tobin Bella movies.
Speaker:Cause I've watched so much saw recently.
Speaker:Just Tobin Bell.
Speaker:That's the only thing it suggests.
Speaker:Uh,
Speaker:so hold on.
Speaker:I got to find this.
Speaker:He's it's like,
Speaker:um,
Speaker:a heavy metal horror movie and he's in it.
Speaker:Oh,
Speaker:I vaguely remember that.
Speaker:Oh,
Speaker:it was a stage fright.
Speaker:No,
Speaker:I don't think so.
Speaker:Hold on.
Speaker:Um,
Speaker:also,
Speaker:getting waterboard boarded by blood is so gnarly raining blood boardings.
Speaker:Cause they wanted to write that line so bad.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:It's too cool.
Speaker:Once you say it to not use it.
Speaker:He stars in clown motel.
Speaker:I didn't know that.
Speaker:Hmm.
Speaker:Going back to like elder Statesman of horror,
Speaker:like in the,
Speaker:the olden days where you'd have,
Speaker:you know,
Speaker:Christopher Lee and those folks appearing over and over is,
Speaker:is like the only really dependable one we have right now.
Speaker:Lynn Shay.
Speaker:I feel like she's the only one like just pops up in a bunch of horror movies
Speaker:when they need someone with cred.
Speaker:Yup.
Speaker:That's weird.
Speaker:I mean,
Speaker:it's great.
Speaker:We have her.
Speaker:I love that she's around doing,
Speaker:you know,
Speaker:a bunch of insidious movies and all that.
Speaker:We should have more though.
Speaker:We should have more distinguished older actors just in fucking everything.
Speaker:Also,
Speaker:Jamie,
Speaker:I completely forgot that Tobin bell was Savitar and Dr.
Speaker:Alchemy in the flash.
Speaker:That's right.
Speaker:I forgot.
Speaker:I forgot.
Speaker:What?
Speaker:What?
Speaker:What?
Speaker:What?
Speaker:This movie has a child waterboarded by choice.
Speaker:He's doing it to himself.
Speaker:Don't pull Carlos.
Speaker:Don't pull.
Speaker:Just turn your head to the side.
Speaker:John,
Speaker:just turn your head to the side.
Speaker:Little did John know that Carlos had actually stolen a Twix bar a week before.
Speaker:That'll be saw 11.
Speaker:Carlos like,
Speaker:Hey buddy,
Speaker:you took the money and really you should have given it back.
Speaker:Cause it wasn't yours.
Speaker:Uh,
Speaker:so your next trap will be crushed to death by a thousand pennies.
Speaker:I like,
Speaker:I should have said more than a thousand,
Speaker:but I like to think that Carlos,
Speaker:uh,
Speaker:just like manages a best buy.
Speaker:Now he's fine.
Speaker:Nothing weird happened after this point.
Speaker:You just put this behind him.
Speaker:Like,
Speaker:yeah,
Speaker:there's this one weird night where people dumped a bunch of blood on me and I don't speak English.
Speaker:So I don't know what the deal was.
Speaker:I cherish my life for entirely healthy reasons.
Speaker:Then an old man gave me a bag of like a million dollars.
Speaker:It was fucking wild.
Speaker:That's crazy.
Speaker:What the fuck does this kid think is happening?
Speaker:Carlos grew up and thought he was on an unscripted episode of pure factor.
Speaker:He thought he just won fear factor and like,
Speaker:he just forgot to sign a release.
Speaker:Oh,
Speaker:I found the movie.
Speaker:It is 61 highway to hell from 2017.
Speaker:Oh,
Speaker:tells the story of Richter scale,
Speaker:a talentless LA based rock band,
Speaker:desperate for fame.
Speaker:That's awesome.
Speaker:I'm glad that's the name of the band.
Speaker:I thought that was the name of a character.
Speaker:I thought they actually named a guy Richter scale.
Speaker:They are on the verge of breaking up when their manager convinces them.
Speaker:The only thing standing between them and glory is a pact with the devil.
Speaker:So they borrow an RV and head out on the infamous crossroads of Mississippi.
Speaker:But with questions looming,
Speaker:will the devil actually show up to meet them there?
Speaker:And more importantly,
Speaker:will he even want their souls?
Speaker:A weird plot description.
Speaker:Anyway,
Speaker:Tobin Bell plays the devil.
Speaker:Ah,
Speaker:well,
Speaker:that's fun.
Speaker:Also the classic.
Speaker:Hello,
Speaker:Zep.
Speaker:And our kind of backing twist.
Speaker:Which,
Speaker:yeah,
Speaker:you know,
Speaker:I wasn't too surprised by this one,
Speaker:but it works anyway as a movie.
Speaker:There's some movies where the twist,
Speaker:if it fails,
Speaker:the movie fails.
Speaker:Since this is more of a character study than a lot of the other saws,
Speaker:it doesn't matter if the twist is seen ahead of time.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:This is more or less just signaling to you like,
Speaker:oh,
Speaker:don't worry.
Speaker:This is the finale of the film.
Speaker:It's going to be done soon.
Speaker:Rather than,
Speaker:like,
Speaker:trying to shock you,
Speaker:I guess.
Speaker:It's not like a spiral where you're just kind of waiting for his partner to show back up.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:See,
Speaker:Mike did at that time.
Speaker:It wasn't me.
Speaker:We did a whole commentary.
Speaker:People know my thoughts.
Speaker:I'm just saying I was going to stop shitting on spiral.
Speaker:And then you're doing one more.
Speaker:Nobody knows Mike's thoughts.
Speaker:No one wants to.
Speaker:Also,
Speaker:if only Tobin Bell pulled off a bunch of shit on his face,
Speaker:again,
Speaker:he was never covered in blood at all.
Speaker:He was wearing a flesh colored stocking over his face.
Speaker:Remember Batman and Robin where Robin pulls off the wax lips?
Speaker:Just him doing that for his entire face just to get the blood off.
Speaker:Rubber lips are immune to your charms.
Speaker:Going back to Carlos,
Speaker:it's going to be very weird when he goes to his dad and he's just soaked head to tail in blood.
Speaker:And he has a bag of like a million dollars.
Speaker:And he's gonna be like,
Speaker:who did you kill,
Speaker:Carlos?
Speaker:Who did you kill?
Speaker:Oh,
Speaker:not at all.
Speaker:Not again,
Speaker:Carlos.
Speaker:Not again.
Speaker:Just to go back a moment,
Speaker:though.
Speaker:Oh,
Speaker:boy,
Speaker:my boy.
Speaker:I absolutely love the little bit of acting Tobin does where he gets out of the trap and like people are kind of calling at him.
Speaker:But he has to take a moment to like a recenter himself and apparently focus his mental powers by pressing on his skull.
Speaker:I just I just like that that little flair because I'm assuming that's an actor idea,
Speaker:not a director going like,
Speaker:hey,
Speaker:what do you like massage away a migraine as your recovery mode?
Speaker:It's so human.
Speaker:This really is like everything Tobin Bell has deserved from a movie.
Speaker:It reminds me.
Speaker:No,
Speaker:I don't like the movie,
Speaker:but it's nice that Red State exists just for a movie that gives everything to Michael Parks.
Speaker:Yeah,
Speaker:it's nice that Parks gets to do his thing.
Speaker:Yeah,
Speaker:I don't love the film.
Speaker:But it's cool.
Speaker:He gets to go out there and do so.
Speaker:Also,
Speaker:John Goodman's having a little bit of fun in it.
Speaker:Yeah,
Speaker:sure.
Speaker:But,
Speaker:you know,
Speaker:mostly Parks.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And I kind of,
Speaker:I feel that way about this.
Speaker:Like,
Speaker:man,
Speaker:why,
Speaker:why couldn't we have appreciated Tobin Bell and given him all the things?
Speaker:Well,
Speaker:it's just astounding again to be 10 movies in and still making something that's a viable theatrical product.
Speaker:Like they haven't scraped the bottom of the well.
Speaker:They actually in this one do more honor to Tobin Bell than in any of the other entries.
Speaker:Pretty much.
Speaker:It's,
Speaker:it's just wild to get this far in and have things working out so hot,
Speaker:especially after two failed reboots in a row.
Speaker:It's astounding to me that the producers stuck to their guns.
Speaker:And said,
Speaker:no,
Speaker:we know this is going to make money.
Speaker:We know there's a fan base for it.
Speaker:We're not going to go straight to video.
Speaker:We're not going to give up.
Speaker:We're going to recenter ourselves.
Speaker:We'll just go back to what we know the folks want.
Speaker:Tobin Bell.
Speaker:We'll let him kind of take center stage again and we'll see what happens.
Speaker:I think nine out of 10 times,
Speaker:if this was a hell raiser situation,
Speaker:they would have been done.
Speaker:You know,
Speaker:they wouldn't have been like,
Speaker:Hey,
Speaker:let's do another one that really lets Doug Bradley take over the screen.
Speaker:They clearly didn't.
Speaker:They went straight to video.
Speaker:They eventually stopped bringing him back.
Speaker:If it was fucking,
Speaker:I don't know.
Speaker:Even stuff like tremors eventually went straight to video and started to feel
Speaker:a little cheaper and further off from what it should have been.
Speaker:They killed the gummer.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:They,
Speaker:they,
Speaker:they stuck true this whole time,
Speaker:which is astounding.
Speaker:I never would have thought they'd be like,
Speaker:no,
Speaker:no,
Speaker:no.
Speaker:We have to recenter on our 80 some year old aging star,
Speaker:but it was absolutely the right move.
Speaker:And I got to applaud them for having the guts to do it.
Speaker:It got people talking about saw again,
Speaker:for real this time,
Speaker:not just the,
Speaker:the kind of,
Speaker:uh,
Speaker:but like sideways buzz that jigsaw and spiral had that were more like,
Speaker:well,
Speaker:like we're,
Speaker:we're interested that this movie's happening.
Speaker:We're not necessarily interested for the movie itself.
Speaker:People were counting down the days to see this movie.
Speaker:Shocked me.
Speaker:I was just,
Speaker:I was just assumed like,
Speaker:Oh,
Speaker:that's gonna,
Speaker:hopefully that's really good.
Speaker:Even though it'll bomb,
Speaker:horribly did not expect saw X to be a cultural event.
Speaker:Did help that it had one of the greatest trailers ever.
Speaker:Oh,
Speaker:of course.
Speaker:I still watch that sometimes delightful to watch the,
Speaker:the,
Speaker:the focus on design too,
Speaker:for this one.
Speaker:I don't know if it felt as strong in the previous two movies,
Speaker:like it didn't have quite the identity that the original saw series had,
Speaker:but this one going all in like the Aztec death calendar and the kind of things
Speaker:they did to promote it.
Speaker:That was,
Speaker:that way it felt unique,
Speaker:but still tied into the series.
Speaker:So it was kind of a stroke of genius there.
Speaker:Like,
Speaker:Hey,
Speaker:it's new,
Speaker:but it's old.
Speaker:Not to mention it does help that it's a saw movie with,
Speaker:you know,
Speaker:a premise this time.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It helps that you actually have an elevator pitch for this movie.
Speaker:That isn't just more saw or saw with a twist.
Speaker:Well,
Speaker:I think they got everyone hooked to,
Speaker:to,
Speaker:to go back to the posters,
Speaker:like the original one of the guy in the eye trap with the tubes crossed.
Speaker:Like that immediately makes you think like,
Speaker:okay,
Speaker:what's going on here?
Speaker:What's what,
Speaker:what the fuck is this trap?
Speaker:How does this work?
Speaker:What's going on with his eyeballs?
Speaker:On top of it all.
Speaker:I mean,
Speaker:let's face it.
Speaker:We haven't gotten the saw movie with jigsaws,
Speaker:the villain since three.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I mean,
Speaker:four or secondly is sideways,
Speaker:but you know,
Speaker:it's focus off of him.
Speaker:And even in three,
Speaker:you know,
Speaker:he's,
Speaker:he's basically on death's door the whole time.
Speaker:So it's almost more of an Amanda story.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:This is basically a followup to saw two in a way.
Speaker:Everything's good.
Speaker:Now I've got my money.
Speaker:Goodbye.
Speaker:Come on,
Speaker:Billy.
Speaker:Behind them.
Speaker:He pulled up a little string.
Speaker:So unfair.
Speaker:Whole place explodes.
Speaker:Problem solved.
Speaker:Only got John got to walk away from an explosion.
Speaker:Backwards.
Speaker:Like Wolverine.
Speaker:And Kevin Greider talks about this just briefly in his commentary that he wanted to kind of bookend one where it opens with or ends with jigsaw slamming that door and saying game over.
Speaker:This one feels oddly hopeful.
Speaker:Like even though he's dying,
Speaker:it's a start of a new life.
Speaker:Ignoring the fact that he's gonna go on to kill a lot more people with the door opening to light and leaving it open.
Speaker:If you ignore all the other movies after this one,
Speaker:it's a,
Speaker:it's actually kind of an inspiring,
Speaker:handy.
Speaker:But it,
Speaker:if,
Speaker:if there was one movie that was a singular John story,
Speaker:then it ending in like a weirdly positive light where it's like John kind of did a good thing.
Speaker:And for him,
Speaker:this was kind of a fulfilling story.
Speaker:That makes sense.
Speaker:Then he goes back to him just like to everybody else.
Speaker:He's a fucking serial killer.
Speaker:Well,
Speaker:that's a Carlos,
Speaker:but to John,
Speaker:he's kind of content in that moment.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It's got his little family with them.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:He taught some people the value of not doing scams.
Speaker:It was a good day.
Speaker:I wish he brought Carlos back to the States.
Speaker:It's just,
Speaker:it's,
Speaker:it's jigsaw.
Speaker:He finally has a kid who hasn't been crushed in a doorway.
Speaker:The kids got auntie Amanda and uncle Hoffman.
Speaker:Mike,
Speaker:be careful.
Speaker:They're,
Speaker:they're making saw 11 right now.
Speaker:We have to assume it's,
Speaker:it's that shortly after this one.
Speaker:Let me make it only has months left.
Speaker:Let me make it.
Speaker:I want to,
Speaker:I want to do this.
Speaker:All we know.
Speaker:They just took Carlos with them back to the United States.
Speaker:And he's like the fifth secret apprentice.
Speaker:He's been,
Speaker:he's been hanging out with talk.
Speaker:Speaking of
Speaker:so someone to let me,
Speaker:how the fuck is this trap supposed to work?
Speaker:It doesn't work.
Speaker:Or is it just like,
Speaker:we need to like a scary looking thing and let's call it a day.
Speaker:I don't know.
Speaker:I mean,
Speaker:it's,
Speaker:he's supposed to,
Speaker:I guess,
Speaker:dig into,
Speaker:to his own stomach.
Speaker:And I assume he's supposed to like press it down and kind of flex it.
Speaker:So that way it crawl it like the,
Speaker:uh,
Speaker:the tendrils of it kind of like start digging into his stomach where his,
Speaker:uh,
Speaker:fake scar was.
Speaker:It's very hell razor.
Speaker:Random.
Speaker:Hoffman looking weirdly the same.
Speaker:I'm just saying,
Speaker:this is like a very intricate kind of trap digger thing.
Speaker:It's like,
Speaker:just,
Speaker:just give him a knife and tell him he's got to cut his guts out.
Speaker:I love that this line was in the trailer and we still didn't know it was Hoffman.
Speaker:Also Hoffman said,
Speaker:epic bad luck,
Speaker:which wasn't an expression when this movie takes place,
Speaker:which means Hoffman invented it.
Speaker:I love that Hoffman's last line is stupid.
Speaker:Oh,
Speaker:he said the line.
Speaker:It's like at this point,
Speaker:there's something between the,
Speaker:uh,
Speaker:the,
Speaker:the,
Speaker:the optimistic door opening and then one last visit with Hoffman.
Speaker:And it feels like the series is saying goodbye to box office pulp.
Speaker:It does.
Speaker:It's like when we got to the end of crime watch 1994 on pulp nightmare.
Speaker:And we saw OJ was here in the last episode of American crime story.
Speaker:It's like,
Speaker:Oh,
Speaker:we have gone.
Speaker:We have gone on a journey.
Speaker:Haven't we?
Speaker:This did feel like a,
Speaker:a reward for us for everything we've put up with so far.
Speaker:I'm free.
Speaker:There's no more Malort in my future.
Speaker:You didn't have Malort today.
Speaker:Well,
Speaker:I didn't have any Malort.
Speaker:You had Malort.
Speaker:That's true.
Speaker:I'm out.
Speaker:I used literally the last drop I had to find out.
Speaker:Jamie likes Malort by the way.
Speaker:Oh,
Speaker:you can send yours to Jamie.
Speaker:I'm glad I got to spread Malort to the East coast.
Speaker:I ate all three of those warheads.
Speaker:And the taste,
Speaker:the taste of Malort is still in my mouth.
Speaker:It doesn't leave.
Speaker:I,
Speaker:uh,
Speaker:I grabbed a Tums.
Speaker:I chewed a Tums.
Speaker:Oh,
Speaker:gone.
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:I never,
Speaker:it never considered Tums.
Speaker:I do wish there was an extra after credit scene.
Speaker:I don't know what it would be,
Speaker:but I just for the fuck of it,
Speaker:a full fan service,
Speaker:just like two after credit scenes.
Speaker:There's,
Speaker:there's like a weird Mandela thing happening to me.
Speaker:Cause I really thought the deleted scene of Peterson pulling her head out of
Speaker:that tube was the second after credit scene,
Speaker:but it's,
Speaker:it's just a deleted scene.
Speaker:On the DVD.
Speaker:I don't know why I thought that was like actually part of the movie.
Speaker:It's heavily implied that happens 30 seconds later.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And I'm pretty sure I like have my suspicions.
Speaker:She's really going to be the focus of the next one.
Speaker:Probably.
Speaker:I mean,
Speaker:and probably like all scarred up from the gas.
Speaker:She's going to be like,
Speaker:kind of like backwards jigsaw be fun.
Speaker:Uh,
Speaker:fragile from a death stranding.
Speaker:I'm curious again.
Speaker:I don't know who the writers are.
Speaker:They had this one in their back pocket for,
Speaker:for years so they could kind of refine it and think about it until a spiral
Speaker:popped up and they decided to switch course.
Speaker:I'm terrified.
Speaker:So what are they going to do when they have less than a year to pump out
Speaker:another one?
Speaker:I'm very,
Speaker:there's actually a decent amount of turnover in some of like the returning
Speaker:crew is at least a preexisting script.
Speaker:Cause I'm just,
Speaker:I do not like how we've gone back to it's Halloween.
Speaker:So it must be saw.
Speaker:Well,
Speaker:now it's September.
Speaker:So I guess it's not even a Halloween thing.
Speaker:So yeah,
Speaker:it's taking less time now.
Speaker:Um,
Speaker:well,
Speaker:I mean,
Speaker:September is September.
Speaker:It's an equal amount of time,
Speaker:but,
Speaker:but I just,
Speaker:you don't have to do it every year.
Speaker:I agree.
Speaker:We'll book of saw again,
Speaker:at least.
Speaker:Rushing it is bad,
Speaker:but on the other hand,
Speaker:Tobin Bell is not getting any younger.
Speaker:So if you want to just make as much as you can with him,
Speaker:we've seen some pretty bad saw movies without him.
Speaker:Let's,
Speaker:let's get some mediocre ones with him or even ones if we're lucky.
Speaker:Just my heart can't take anymore.
Speaker:I just,
Speaker:I just don't know what,
Speaker:like,
Speaker:I'm very curious.
Speaker:If it's,
Speaker:if it's a,
Speaker:if it's a,
Speaker:if it's a script that was floating around,
Speaker:does it include John in a major way?
Speaker:Is it another prequel or is it another fucking like a apprentice spinoff?
Speaker:They've kind of implied it's directly,
Speaker:it's a direct sequel to X.
Speaker:I,
Speaker:they,
Speaker:they've kind of implied,
Speaker:yeah,
Speaker:Peterson might be back,
Speaker:which would kind of imply it's right after this.
Speaker:Cause if they wait any longer,
Speaker:John will be dead.
Speaker:Um,
Speaker:along with everyone else,
Speaker:he actually cared about,
Speaker:uh,
Speaker:getting revenge on,
Speaker:but they've also said a few things about like kind of jokingly,
Speaker:like,
Speaker:Oh,
Speaker:if we keep doing these,
Speaker:we're going to get to tell the rest of Hoffman's story,
Speaker:which,
Speaker:which seemed more like a joke.
Speaker:Like if these are still successful,
Speaker:eventually we can't just keep doing in between movies and we'll have to
Speaker:advance the plot.
Speaker:So I don't know.
Speaker:I'm,
Speaker:I'm so curious.
Speaker:I guess we have to wait until the trailer comes out in a couple of months
Speaker:here.
Speaker:I mean,
Speaker:honestly,
Speaker:if the,
Speaker:if the sequels stay good,
Speaker:like if the next one's on this level of quality and they're able to do
Speaker:that and set up how the saw series can then go forward into the
Speaker:presence in a,
Speaker:a way that makes sense and continue on past John's death.
Speaker:I don't know how you do though.
Speaker:I don't know how either,
Speaker:but you're left with cheating and saying Hoffman survived.
Speaker:And that's like,
Speaker:no,
Speaker:it's not.
Speaker:There is no more Hoffman.
Speaker:Even if Hoffman's alive,
Speaker:that is not how you continue the series.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:But like,
Speaker:you're not going to go back to Logan and you're probably not going to go
Speaker:back to spiral.
Speaker:What the,
Speaker:what the fuck do you do?
Speaker:I'm sorry.
Speaker:I don't know.
Speaker:I think they're still in the same box there before.
Speaker:Evil Carlos.
Speaker:Evil Carlos.
Speaker:I'm telling you,
Speaker:they just,
Speaker:do an alternate universe where after this one,
Speaker:they just ignore everything from saw one onward.
Speaker:And they,
Speaker:they just do a weird saw timeline of one,
Speaker:10,
Speaker:11,
Speaker:12.
Speaker:Superboy prime punches the source wall and.
Speaker:Oh no.
Speaker:Races Hoffman from existence.
Speaker:God,
Speaker:I had,
Speaker:I'd actually forgotten.
Speaker:That's how they just rewrote a lot of DC.
Speaker:I,
Speaker:that I had spaced that out of my mind.
Speaker:And now it's right back to this goddamn Superboy punching continuity in the
Speaker:face.
Speaker:52 is like three years later.
Speaker:That,
Speaker:that,
Speaker:that was,
Speaker:how Jason Todd was,
Speaker:was canonically brought back from the dead for like eight years until they
Speaker:retconned that.
Speaker:We don't have anything better.
Speaker:So we're going to go with it.
Speaker:Just Superboy punched time and he woke up in his grave.
Speaker:What the fuck?
Speaker:One of the dumbest pages of a comic book I've ever read.
Speaker:Well,
Speaker:the important thing is we have survived 10 saw movies.
Speaker:We didn't get into saw the video game.
Speaker:I feel like if we ever do a,
Speaker:like a Twitch stream,
Speaker:we got to,
Speaker:we got to,
Speaker:we got to set that up and do it.
Speaker:I was still all for it.
Speaker:It would be fun.
Speaker:If you'd like to give box office pulp too much money to set up a streaming
Speaker:studio,
Speaker:you can send your money too.
Speaker:And then I just list my entire credit card and get scammed.
Speaker:And then we go through the plot of this movie,
Speaker:but in Wisconsin.
Speaker:Oh,
Speaker:and you lose all of your kidneys,
Speaker:all of them.
Speaker:You can sound like you have more than two.
Speaker:No,
Speaker:I didn't tell you the story.
Speaker:Uh,
Speaker:uh,
Speaker:my mom worked at Keenan house.
Speaker:This place.
Speaker:And when people would get new kidneys,
Speaker:like they wouldn't cut the old ones out.
Speaker:Like if you had a bum kidney,
Speaker:they wouldn't remove it.
Speaker:And then give you the new kidney.
Speaker:They would just kind of attach the new one to the same.
Speaker:Like really?
Speaker:So there would be people walking around that had like two or three failed
Speaker:kidney transplants.
Speaker:And so they were just stuffed with kidneys.
Speaker:I didn't know that.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Apparently it's like more of a risk to take them out sometimes.
Speaker:So they'll just leave them in and splice the new one into like the same
Speaker:system.
Speaker:That must feel so weird.
Speaker:Much.
Speaker:I imagine those people are just very lumpy.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I don't like that.
Speaker:No,
Speaker:no.
Speaker:I like to tell that as my not fun facts when I'm meeting people at
Speaker:parties,
Speaker:which explains why I don't have friends.
Speaker:That's,
Speaker:that's very bad.
Speaker:So yeah,
Speaker:just think there's a,
Speaker:who knows?
Speaker:Probably tons of people out there right now with too many organs
Speaker:stuffed in their body.
Speaker:I'd like more spleens.
Speaker:Uh,
Speaker:why?
Speaker:Just to,
Speaker:just to say I have more spleens.
Speaker:Well,
Speaker:I was trying to do a nice way to wrap this up and I don't know how
Speaker:we got the kidneys,
Speaker:but,
Speaker:uh,
Speaker:folks,
Speaker:thank you for sticking with us for this entire commentary series.
Speaker:We finally did one all the way through.
Speaker:Just imagine there's balloons falling on,
Speaker:If you would like more of this,
Speaker:obviously we have all those other commentaries.
Speaker:You can go back and listen to as much as you want.
Speaker:Uh,
Speaker:we have tons of other commentaries.
Speaker:Occasionally we actually do episodes that are just discussing movies
Speaker:that are not formatted this rigidly,
Speaker:but who has the time to go find all those and who even knows where
Speaker:they are.
Speaker:I can't wait to do that again.
Speaker:We've been doing nothing but saw for so long.
Speaker:It's been 84 years,
Speaker:but folks,
Speaker:you actually can find more of those things at box office,
Speaker:pulp.com.
Speaker:We are on Google music.
Speaker:We are on iTunes.
Speaker:We are on Spotify and you can even send us weird letters at box office,
Speaker:pulp at Gmail.
Speaker:If you feel so inclined,
Speaker:I don't know if we ever checked that account.
Speaker:So,
Speaker:uh,
Speaker:you're probably better off actually contacting us on Twitter at box office,
Speaker:pulp or Facebook at box office,
Speaker:pulp.
Speaker:Just,
Speaker:just always check box office,
Speaker:pulp.
Speaker:That's the key.
Speaker:We're all in blue sky too.
Speaker:Oh yeah,
Speaker:that's right.
Speaker:But on our individual names.
Speaker:So you make a pop on there.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It's open to everyone now,
Speaker:so we can just do that.
Speaker:We don't have to wait for referral codes,
Speaker:which means I have an extra referral code that matters.
Speaker:Worthless.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Kind of bums me out.
Speaker:Eh,
Speaker:what are you going to do?
Speaker:You should have sold Mike when the market was high.
Speaker:Anyways,
Speaker:folks,
Speaker:thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker:This has been box office,
Speaker:pulp,
Speaker:uh,
Speaker:liver,
Speaker:die,
Speaker:et cetera.
Speaker:Choose,
Speaker:choose,
Speaker:choose,
Speaker:uh,
Speaker:get the hell out of here.
Speaker:You get more out of life when you go out to a movie.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Did anyone look at,
Speaker:and this is going to be an awful post-credit tags is just us discussing business.
Speaker:Uh,
Speaker:did anyone look at the,
Speaker:uh,
Speaker:messenger notice we got to the other day from box office pulp?
Speaker:Oh yeah.
Speaker:I saw that.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It was a guy offering to grow our business.
Speaker:Hey,
Speaker:that totally didn't sound like a scam.
Speaker:Not at all.
Speaker:Oh no,
Speaker:Mike,
Speaker:we could have had our own interactive saw X experience.
Speaker:We could have gotten scammed for the show.
Speaker:That would have been worth it.
Speaker:The tie in.
Speaker:We could have done merchandising tie ins for that with us,
Speaker:without any of our organs merchandising tie ins.
Speaker:I liked the idea of,
Speaker:I got scammed and all I got was this t-shirt.
Speaker:Yes,
Speaker:we should actually sell that.
Speaker:I got ripped off by box office,
Speaker:Paul.
Speaker:And all I got was this t-shirt,
Speaker:but it's a white shirt written in Sharpie by us with a white Sharpie.
Speaker:Uh,
Speaker:it looks exactly like the mail I sent you.
Speaker:There's just a square box that says,
Speaker:play me written over the belly.
Speaker:Just out of curiosity,
Speaker:how much did it cost to sell it?
Speaker:How much did it cost to send this?
Speaker:Uh,
Speaker:$5 a person.
Speaker:It's not bad.
Speaker:No,
Speaker:no,
Speaker:not at all.
Speaker:The cards were more expensive.
Speaker:Uh,
Speaker:and if you want to reuse the cards,
Speaker:uh,
Speaker:if you push down the two little knobs inside of it,
Speaker:uh,
Speaker:until it beeps,
Speaker:you can record a 40 second long message and you can do that as many times as you want until
Speaker:the battery runs out.
Speaker:No,
Speaker:I don't,
Speaker:I don't want to,
Speaker:I don't want to ever erase you.
Speaker:If you die,
Speaker:this is my only recording of you.
Speaker:Cause I wouldn't then,
Speaker:after you,
Speaker:after your death,
Speaker:erased box office,
Speaker:this would be the only recording of you.
Speaker:I'm like,
Speaker:besides the 10 years of recording episodes we've done together.
Speaker:Nope.
Speaker:Cody's dead.
Speaker:Time to erase him from existence.
Speaker:Throw it all out.
Speaker:Burn it down,
Speaker:boys.
Speaker:Uh,
Speaker:whenever I'm speaking at your funeral,
Speaker:I'm just going to approach the microphone and be like,
Speaker:uh,
Speaker:Cody,
Speaker:uh,
Speaker:asked me to say a few words for,
Speaker:uh,
Speaker:such an occasion.
Speaker:Meanwhile,
Speaker:you're just guzzling Malora in the background.
Speaker:I really appreciate how the recorded card,
Speaker:uh,
Speaker:makes the audio sound shitty enough to BSL recording.
Speaker:Like I heard that.
Speaker:I'm like,
Speaker:this is fucking aces.
Speaker:Like it really,
Speaker:it really just sounds inside of a jar.
Speaker:Yeah,
Speaker:I had,
Speaker:you wouldn't believe how hard it was to record that.
Speaker:Cause you have to be pushing down with both hands to record the car.
Speaker:And I'm also trying to start the music by using my elbow,
Speaker:my mouse,
Speaker:the play button on Spotify.
Speaker:And to do all this too,
Speaker:I had to take the speaker on my computer and put it right next to the mouse.
Speaker:So then I can hold the card up next to it.
Speaker:So it'd pick up the sounds of Spotify.
Speaker:So just imagine me hunched over my computer,
Speaker:like my hands in front of me,
Speaker:like a T-Rex clicking this thing and then hitting the mouse,
Speaker:but like the mouse sliding off course and not clicking on anything.
Speaker:So I have to restart.
Speaker:I had to do this like fucking 10 times per card.
Speaker:You're doing all this while the saw theme plays over and over.
Speaker:And I'm like,
Speaker:it's gotta be the first 45 seconds.
Speaker:Cause then I know where I am in the recording so I can finish on time.
Speaker:And it actually like,
Speaker:it's the right spot.
Speaker:It sounds correct on the recording.
Speaker:Anything later.
Speaker:And it sounds wrong.
Speaker:It was,
Speaker:it was an actual endeavor.
Speaker:It was a pain in the ass to do this.
Speaker:I want you to know something.
Speaker:Eventually the rest of the Malort in this bottle is going to find its way back
Speaker:to you.
Speaker:And I want you,
Speaker:don't threaten me.
Speaker:Just give it to friends or enemies at home.
Speaker:This is in the back of your brain.
Speaker:Just,
Speaker:just bring your family over and be like,
Speaker:everyone,
Speaker:I need you to try the worst thing in the world.
Speaker:Just a sip.
Speaker:No,
Speaker:he's going to send it to you in a box containing the Houdini DVD.
Speaker:Just,
Speaker:just,
Speaker:I don't know,
Speaker:get to Matt or somebody.
Speaker:Go give it to,
Speaker:give it to other folk.
Speaker:Mike,
Speaker:you'd make me the happiest person in the world.
Speaker:If you actually combed through the last commentary and took out the moment
Speaker:where I mentioned like,
Speaker:Oh,
Speaker:I have these two bottles and spliced it into this.
Speaker:Like,
Speaker:these might come in handy later.
Speaker:Once I did that,
Speaker:I was so mad at myself for not seeding this idea into all of the episodes.
Speaker:And then you get your,
Speaker:finally your,
Speaker:your game over moments.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It's just video of me slamming the lid down on an empty bottle of Malort and then tripping
Speaker:and falling off of my balcony to my death.
Speaker:Over game.
Speaker:Oh God.
Speaker:It's a Homer Simpson,
Speaker:jumping Springfield Gorge.
Speaker:It's a,
Speaker:it's a,
Speaker:it's a,
Speaker:it's a,
Speaker:it's a,
Speaker:it's a,
Speaker:it's a,
Speaker:it's a,
Speaker:it's a,
Speaker:it's a,
Speaker:it's a,
Speaker:it's a,
Speaker:it's a,
Speaker:it's a,
Speaker:it's a,
Speaker:it's a,
Speaker:it's a,
Speaker:it's a,
Speaker:it's a,
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